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Thread ID: 96995	2009-01-31 06:59:00	No four star cells for inmates ?	Misty (368)	PC World Chat

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743628	2009-02-01 04:33:00	No, I think the cost would be too high, and that cost is covered by us, The community. I'd hang em. In truth I think the entire system is geared up to breed criminals, So a major change is required, But those that abuse their rights in the community should be removed from the community. Intervene much earlier when parents are failing their children. Make the parents directly responsible for there children. Allow schools to take whatever steps are required to enforce acceptable behaviour, and bring back the male teachers who were driven out. Allow people to do what they can to protect their property, their families, their communities. Give the police back their power to deal with them when they are young. Give real punishment on their first few appearances in court. Don't allow anyone to get away with not paying fines. Remove repeat offenders from society,for good. We have the scum in our society because we allow it, The black power and their kind would disappear overnight if the people in the community drove them out. I'll vote for you!!	johcar (6283)
743629	2009-02-01 04:52:00	Well, interesting to hear from all the rednecks (particularly Metla :waughh: ). As I recall we have more people in prison that any other society in the Western world, apart from the States, and have proved that incarcerating people does not work ! Now we are talking about more prisons !!! :illogical Judith Collins is not going to spend as much per prisoner as did the previous government ........but, to repeat, it is still her intention to increase cells where we already have more than any country in the Western world, apart from the States. Even if we dress the prisoners in pink and give them gravel for breakfast it is not really going to make a significant difference. Preventive detention is definitely worthwhile for those who are clearly going to re-offend in a nasty way. Not talking about that. Crikey !! ........ ..even the Aussies must be doing it better than us. Maybe we could even learn from them :confused: :horrified Misty :(	Misty (368)
743630	2009-02-01 05:03:00	Preventative detention doesn't work. At least not the way we have it in NZ. Criminals are criminals. Most of them cannot be reformed. So why spend millions of taxpayers' money on a gamble? Attempting to turn their lives around are simply not economically viable. We should not give them the chance they don't deserve. Wainui - that's an interesting article. NZ should follow that example.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
743631	2009-02-01 05:08:00	:lol: Yeah one line in particular says it all really -- When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton......If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.'	wainuitech (129)
743632	2009-02-01 05:28:00	Making prisoners take care of stray animals is actually good. It brings out their nurturing nature and they'll develop bonds with their charges which will hopefully soften their stupid hard brains. Not only that the whole thing is much cheaper to run than our hotels for criminals and is probably much more effective then the money-vacuum system we have now.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
743633	2009-02-01 05:36:00	Well, interesting to hear from all the rednecks (particularly Metla :waughh: ) . As I recall we have more people in prison that any other society in the Western world, apart from the States, and have proved that incarcerating people does not work ! Now we are talking about more prisons !!! :illogical Judith Collins is not going to spend as much per prisoner as did the previous government . . . . . . . . but, to repeat, it is still her intention to increase cells where we already have more than any country in the Western world, apart from the States . Even if we dress the prisoners in pink and give them gravel for breakfast it is not really going to make a significant difference . Preventive detention is definitely worthwhile for those who are clearly going to re-offend in a nasty way . Not talking about that . Crikey !! . . . . . . . . . . even the Aussies must be doing it better than us . Maybe we could even learn from them :confused: :horrified Misty :( Who cares if we imprison more crooks per population than other countries like Sweden etc, it just means like the USA we have more crooks in the population . If we need more prisons just start building them but just build them cheaply The best place for a crook is prison . There is a positive knock on effect of building infrastructure like prisons in a recesssion so lets start building . What the liberals haven't worked out yet is that when a crook is prison he isn't offending its not rocket science but the liberals struggle with facts .	prefect (6291)
743634	2009-02-01 06:10:00	Well, interesting to hear from all the rednecks (particularly Metla :waughh: ). red·neck cache.lexico.com (dictionary.reference.com) (rěd'něk') n. Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude. So, Your claiming I'm an uneducated bigoted farmer from the Southern Area of The United States? Or is it more a case of trying to insult someone for daring to voice views that differ from your own? (we call that the Michael Laws approach)	Metla (12)
743635	2009-02-01 06:39:00	Michael Laws approach Now you've really hurt me Metla ! You know how to press my buttons :groan: :eek:	Misty (368)
743636	2009-02-01 07:14:00	People do seem to forget that, other than a tiny percentage of the prison population, every prison inmate in New Zealand has a release date. They will be getting out and will be living in society again. Anger about what they did is understandable and appropriate - it just doesn't change the fact that they will be back in society. No amount of Sensible Sentencing Trust publicity for Norm Withers changes that simple fact. No electioneering and government promises to get tougher on crime changes that fact either. So a criminal might hate society when he or she goes to prison - but brutalise them while they are inside, starve them, force them into hard labour, make them have cold showers - whatever you do to them they will remember it when they are back in society. We take our liberty for granted - very few people have ever had their liberty threatened at any point in their lives. Depriving a convicted criminal of their liberty is a grave punishment and something very few people have the faintest idea about other than watching television programs. But the removal of liberty in a free society is the punishment that prison facilitates. Completely agree with this, I think most criminals (well the stage before they become criminal) take freedom for granted. Once they have committed a crime they must know the consequences of their actions. They should not expect to be imprisoned in a nice facility with awesome food and warmth and expect to retain the rights they went out of the way to break. Not only is Joe Bloggs taxpayer being punished by criminals by the actual offence, but being punished twice by having to pay extra tax to house and feed these scum. Prison should be hell on earth so they know what they create for their victims.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
743637	2009-02-01 07:30:00	Completely agree with this. Uh, I believe he is saying prison should be as nice as possible (so we don't upset the poor dears) as being kept away from society is the punishment,which doesn't really correspond with you wanting prison to be hell on earth so they are forced to suffer.	Metla (12)
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