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Thread ID: 97122	2009-02-05 00:41:00	Dixon is dead, Long live dixon	plod (107)	PC World Chat

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745088	2009-02-07 09:59:00	How are you in any position to judge his lawyers motives? Do you know him? Do you know any lawyers, for that matter? Not in any legal position that I know of. But I can see an insincere deed when I see one. Yeah, I know I can be wrong. Shoot me. So people accused of violent crimes deserve no access to a legal defence? If the evidence is there....why let the criminal's lawyer prolong his pay for months, if not years? The only thing that stretched Dixon's trials is because his lawyer knows the longer he prolongs it, the more money he's going to get.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
745089	2009-02-07 10:05:00	If the evidence is there....why let the criminal's lawyer prolong his pay for months, if not years? The only thing that stretched Dixon's trials is because his lawyer knows the longer he prolongs it, the more money he's going to get. If Dixon got a retrial it's because the prosecution or police screwed it up badly - even though there are clear rules of evidence etc. So they have involvement in costing the country money too, surely?	Deane F (8204)
745090	2009-02-07 10:25:00	But do you think that violent criminals who face trial should be allowed to have lawyers? My opinion is that every person has the right to a defence lawyer or to defend themselves as the case may be. In the event any person is on trial regardless of previous convictions it does not mean that the particular person is guilty of burglary or theft or murder even though they may have been convicted of similar offences in the past. The prosecution has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course a defence lawyer would use the mechanics of the legal system to put doubt in the mind of one or more members of a jury. I might also add that the prosecution may try to ensure that the defendant does not get to present evidence that the enforcing authority may know or suspect but does not call in a court especially if that evidence may tend to indicate to indicate the person is not guilty as charged. Your question as asked would make me think that "violent criminals" do have the have the right to a lawyer. You can defend them if you want but how do you KNOW the person is a violent criminal unless of course you ask the defendant or accused and He or She tells you the truth. Like you get up in Court and say, "My client instructed me as to the facts." Or, "My client denies every being in the vicinity of the alledged offence."	Sweep (90)
745091	2009-02-07 10:28:00	If Dixon got a retrial it's because the prosecution or police screwed it up badly - even though there are clear rules of evidence etc. So they have involvement in costing the country money too, surely? Human mistake is counted as an inevitable cost. Though personally I highly doubt the prosecution and/or police screwed it up so bad as to stretch Dixon's trials this long. And to sort of directly answer your question regarding a crim lawyer's motive to defend his client - no, I can't answer that with succinct certainty. But his/her motive is very questionable at best. Steven McDonald's lawyer released an apology letter from McDonald expressing his (supposed) regret at Halatau's death. He most probably wrote that letter as advised, or at least suggested, by his lawyer. I mean, McDonald is a P user, held a gun to the owner of the Skyline he stole, endangered countless lives on the road, and now he 'regrets' a stranger's death? I bloody doubt that.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
745092	2009-02-07 10:37:00	Dixon shot a guy ten times in the back, There was never any argument over his guilt, His trial shouldn't have lasted for any longer then the time it takes to make introductions and ensure the hangman is ready.	Metla (12)
745093	2009-02-07 10:46:00	If Dixon got a retrial it's because the prosecution or police screwed it up badly - even though there are clear rules of evidence etc. So they have involvement in costing the country money too, surely? Sigh. I thought there was a retrial because a Judge made a mistake in summing up. Of course as you have pointed out the Judiciary has nothing to do with Parliament and of course has nothing to do with the Police or any other enforcement agencies. There are rules of evidence and rightly so. However the Court can ONLY hear evidence that is admissable either brought by the prosecution or defence and I might add that the jury are sometimes excluded from hearing debate or legal arguement by Lawyers. Then again you may argue that Dixon should have been removed from prison and belong in a psychiatric ward because he was not guilty by reason of insanity or alternatively he was using a drug which messed with his head like P or Alcohol and therefore he could not have been responsible for attacking people with a sword and a gun. Of course he would never do that as I am sure he was a nice Guy. I would let him stay under your roof if he was still around.	Sweep (90)
745094	2009-02-07 10:52:00	Sigh. I thought there was a retrial because a Judge made a mistake in summing up. Quite right, I omitted to mention that reason.	Deane F (8204)
745095	2009-02-07 10:55:00	Dixon shot a guy ten times in the back, There was never any argument over his guilt, There were arguments - and a trial. This is a civilised country. His trial shouldn't have lasted for any longer then the time it takes to make introductions and ensure the hangman is ready. Much like China's system then? (I wouldn't go near the place myself. An evil empire if ever there was one. The people may be nice - but the government is corrupt.)	Deane F (8204)
745096	2009-02-07 10:55:00	I would let him stay under your roof if he was still around. Perhaps all convicted murderers, rapists and grievous bodily harmers should be paroled to his address? :lol:	qazwsxokmijn (102)
745097	2009-02-07 10:57:00	Perhaps all convicted murderers, rapists and grievous bodily harmers should be paroled to his address? :lol: Might make for more intelligent company than rednecks I suppose.	Deane F (8204)
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