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Thread ID: 97075	2009-02-03 13:38:00	Discussing stuff...	rob_on_guitar (4196)	PC World Chat

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744600	2009-02-03 21:22:00	To some extent, an increase in crime can be seen as a symptom of something going wrong in society. Drug and alcohol abuse - and the associated crime - in particular make me think that there is a lot of unhappiness and hopelessness out there. The increase in crime can be blamed on anyone except the alleged offender. There are people in prison who simply should not be there. Some people belong in a mental hospital for example. Oh wait....................... Some are closed down now. Most of us know what is right and wrong and there should be a line drawn in the sand. Step over this and there will be consequences. Take some serial killers for example who excuse themselves by saying, "God told me to do it." Then of course we all have rights and do not have to be responsible for our actions so the bleeding hearts would tell you. I might add that in watching TV and reading other news media I have to sort the wheat from the chaff as it were. I have to admit that as a male I am now worried to have a Grandchild on my lap as this could be taken several ways. Some people would take it that I could be abusing the child. And as for being a teacher well I would not go there because I would be likely to boot the toe rag in the tail end.	Sweep (90)
744601	2009-02-04 04:21:00	The increase in crime can be blamed on anyone except the alleged offender. I'm not sure I have ever said in any of my posts that an alleged offender cannot be blamed for their actions. Why did you quote my post? Then of course we all have rights and do not have to be responsible for our actions so the bleeding hearts would tell you. Yes - we all have rights. And we all have duties as well. Rights and duties are a paired concept. I am a bleeding heart liberal (and proud of it) but I do not believe rights excuse us from responsibility for our actions. Exactly what gives you the idea that liberals believe this?	Deane F (8204)
744602	2009-02-04 05:01:00	I'm not sure I have ever said in any of my posts that an alleged offender cannot be blamed for their actions. Why did you quote my post? Yes - we all have rights. And we all have duties as well. Rights and duties are a paired concept. I am a bleeding heart liberal (and proud of it) but I do not believe rights excuse us from responsibility for our actions. Exactly what gives you the idea that liberals believe this? To answer your question in full. I do note there are only two questions 1. I quoted your post because I can. If you do not like this then feel free to report my post. And I might add that I do not post without thinking first. 2. There are as many flavours of Liberals as what there are Liberals. Just as many Christians have flavours as well for example and belong to one Church or another. I have no idea what you believe as I am not here to get inside your head. I did not say liberal. You put that in for yourself and it is just another item of selective quoting. Did I say you were a Liberal? Not to my knowledge anyway.	Sweep (90)
744603	2009-02-04 05:07:00	To answer your question in full. I do note there are only two questions 1. I quoted your post because I can. If you do not like this then feel free to report my post. And I might add that I do not post without thinking first. I wouldn't report your post Sweep. It isn't offensive. I assumed there was some link with my post and your comments - I had no idea that you were just doing it because you could. I did not say liberal. No, you said bleeding heart. Usually this is shorthand for "bleeding heart liberal". it is just another item of selective quoting. I will take your example and be unselective with my quoting from now on (because I can...) :thumbs:	Deane F (8204)
744604	2009-02-04 05:24:00	I wouldn't report your post Sweep. It isn't offensive. I assumed there was some link with my post and your comments - I had no idea that you were just doing it because you could. No, you said bleeding heart. Usually this is shorthand for "bleeding heart liberal". I will take your example and be unselective with my quoting from now on (because I can...) :thumbs: Fair enough but you assumed I meant Liberal and that is not what I said. I further note that you broke your own rule in this post. Just assume anything you like. You can interpret my words any way you like. Do not put words into my mouth I never said though.	Sweep (90)
744605	2009-02-04 05:32:00	Fair enough but you assumed I meant Liberal and that is not what I said. Well, I have yet to meet a bleeding heart conservative. I will try in future not to put words in your mouth (or anything else in your mouth either, for that matter - just so you know.)	Deane F (8204)
744606	2009-02-04 05:49:00	Well, I have yet to meet a bleeding heart conservative. I will try in future not to put words in your mouth (or anything else in your mouth either, for that matter - just so you know.) Another example of selective quoting on your part. That is the sort of thing I mean about evasion and equivocation I mentioned in another thread which may have gone over your head or not as the case may be. I am quite capable of surviving without being spoon fed at this time. I hope this makes you feel less guilty that you are not by my side putting any form of nutrition in my mouth.	Sweep (90)
744607	2009-02-04 05:59:00	So you think the middle and elite classes in Europe were basically just good people or something...? If you were selecting people to populate your Island paradise would you be targeting the dregs?	Metla (12)
744608	2009-02-04 07:02:00	If you were selecting people to populate your Island paradise would you be targeting the dregs? I have been told that the Auckland Island is good at this time of year. Perhaps we drop all repeat offenders off there along with a supply of plant food like spuds etc. We let them get on with it and pick up survivors (if any) after twenty years or so. This will have the benefit of us not having to have extra prisons. In the event a prisoner is found not guilty on appeal then we can go pick him or her up in the event he/she is still alive. They can catch seals or eat each other. For Deane F please note I said REPEAT OFFENDERS that are beyond rehabilitation.	Sweep (90)
744609	2009-02-04 08:31:00	For Deane F please note I said REPEAT OFFENDERS that are beyond rehabilitation. So how do you go about defining this "REPEAT OFFENDERS that are beyond rehabilitation" ? And are you really happy to give this power to a government?	Deane F (8204)
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