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Thread ID: 97075 2009-02-03 13:38:00 Discussing stuff... rob_on_guitar (4196) PC World Chat
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744590 2009-02-03 13:38:00 Ok, I told a friend last week it seems like we are (as a country) seeing alot of violent crimes lately. He says its only because we are becoming a media based society, all these crimes only seem to increase because thats all the news on TV and the papers report.

Would you say that is a fair statement?

Also he said it could help if they introduced a law type class in schools (not uni or tech, just normal schools) where the students learn about law and crime and the consequences, he said it may make kids aware of things.

Personally I think its a pretty good idea, what do you think?
rob_on_guitar (4196)
744591 2009-02-03 14:21:00 I don't your friend is correct on saying that.

Parents these days don't even know how to teach their kids properly


I reckon its the economy and the world is getting more complicated by the day.

Technology is also a issue that has affected us
Ninjabear (2948)
744592 2009-02-03 16:19:00 i agree to an extent, technology has certainly open the door to things, but we cant blame it for crime like illegal software, movies, music etc.

Like downloading movies etc illegally, sure A sign of the times yes, but I still think its the individual that does it, they are the ones that choose and decide to do it. If he/she gets caught they cant say they hadnt been warned.

But what about killers and rapists and molesters? Where do they get their crap from? You cant say the internet because they been doing it alot longer then the net has been around.
rob_on_guitar (4196)
744593 2009-02-03 18:02:00 Well it is on the news everyday everywhere so is hard to shield kids from it. Yes I think teaching it in schools would be a start but then since teachers cannot discipline the kids..... Social conscience has a part to play here and the cotton wool mentality. Newtons law states for every action there is a reaction yet to crime their seems to be no reaction just a slap on the hand with a wet lettuce leaf gary67 (56)
744594 2009-02-03 19:36:00 I saw someone make the point on another forum just the other day that if you find yourself a NZ newspaper from 100 years ago and read the court cases you will discover they are filled with nearly the exact same behaviour as what's in our current court pages.

I'd assume the person who wrote it must have gone through some old newspapers, Or perhaps they just made it up.

I'd quite easily believe that back in the old days it was far easier to cover up murders, sexual abuse,child abuse, spouse abuse, all the nasty stuff.

I'd also imagine back in the day a high profile sports commentator (ok,maybe they didn't have them) would have got a pat on the back for giving his wench the learn, Not driven to point of a breakdown as we see today.
Metla (12)
744595 2009-02-03 19:43:00 To some extent, an increase in crime can be seen as a symptom of something going wrong in society. Drug and alcohol abuse - and the associated crime - in particular make me think that there is a lot of unhappiness and hopelessness out there. Deane F (8204)
744596 2009-02-03 19:46:00 Maybe its because NZ was populated by the dregs of Europe.:stare: Metla (12)
744597 2009-02-03 20:10:00 Maybe its because NZ was populated by the dregs of Europe.:stare:

So you think the middle and elite classes in Europe were basically just good people or something...?
Deane F (8204)
744598 2009-02-03 20:51:00 Ok, I told a friend last week it seems like we are (as a country) seeing alot of violent crimes lately. He says its only because we are becoming a media based society, all these crimes only seem to increase because thats all the news on TV and the papers report.


Yes.

Go back and look at what life was like a 200 or 500 years ago.
pctek (84)
744599 2009-02-03 20:57:00 I saw someone make the point on another forum just the other day that if you find yourself a NZ newspaper from 100 years ago and read the court cases you will discover they are filled with nearly the exact same behaviour as what's in our current court pages.

I'd assume the person who wrote it must have gone through some old newspapers, Or perhaps they just made it up.

I'd quite easily believe that back in the old days it was far easier to cover up murders, sexual abuse,child abuse, spouse abuse, all the nasty stuff.

I'd also imagine back in the day a high profile sports commentator (ok,maybe they didn't have them) would have got a pat on the back for giving his wench the learn, Not driven to point of a breakdown as we see today.

100 years ago, newspapers were all you had so the news was not as high profile as it is today. Besides, many things were kept quiet as that is the type of thing that "did not happen" in a polite society.

I recall a young pregnant girl (we were not supposed to know she was pregnant - it was hidden quite well) and her Mum who travelled from Blenheim to Wellington Hospital and Mum came home with a brand new baby. It was quite peculiar that Mum had shown no signs of pregnancy.

But that was what you did. Everyone knew the baby was not Mums, but no-one said anything, just whispered among themselves.

It was an attitude. Things were kept quiet. No fuss was made.

I think there are two reasons that there appears to be more crime: there are more people and so more people committing crimes and there is more immediate and wider coverage of those crimes.

Rather than say there were 100 crimes in 1908 but 2,000 crimes in 2008, would it not make more sense to compare the amount of crimes to the population? A percentage of the population committing crimes puts the figures in perspective.

They did have high profile sports commentators at least 50 years ago. Winston McCarthy was known throughout the country for his football commentaries. I'm certain that if he had been a naughty boy his discretions would have been hushed up.
Roscoe (6288)
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