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| Thread ID: 97416 | 2009-02-14 22:47:00 | $30 Million USD For Salt Marsh Mouse? | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 748036 | 2009-02-15 09:22:00 | I am quite glad the american bullet stoppers are doing their job in Afghanistan. Someone has to fight the Taleban they are a nasty bunch of work, real bad asses. If you are a Taleban supporter here I hope the SIS is watching you The yanks wont ever completely defeat them but if they can keep bowling a few over they can keep the lid on the situation. If the yanks leave Afghanistan it will just revert back to being a failed state and a terrorist haven. As much as I detest yanks I support their Taleban killing in Afghanistan. Also the Taleban are anti alcohol which I find appalling. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 748037 | 2009-02-15 09:47:00 | Also the Taleban are anti alcohol which I find appalling. Um, I think you might find that all Muslims are anti alcohol. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 748038 | 2009-02-15 17:20:00 | There will be - even Alexander the Great got tired of trying to win a war in Afghanistan and went home. There is not a single foreign military occupation or invasion of Afghanistan in all of history that has succeeded. You'd think that the most recent example of a military invasion of Afghanistan - by the USSR - would leave a fairly deep impression. Absolutely! The Russian-Afghan War was their VietNam and the lesson appears to not have been learned. But there are other mitigating reasons for the invasion, although I am not totally privy to the sanguine reasoning of it all to be sure. I don't believe that there's a whole lot of correctness in any war or invasion, but what's important here is to NOT become a spirited supporter of or allow knee jerk alignment to the ethics and immorality of the bilateral forces involved. CAVEAT: I mean you and everyone else here no disrespect, but you cannot pull a holier-than-thou attitude here as the drum you pound is slack-skinned and deadbeat. As maligned as the Big Three were (and are yet) in the eyes of the world, if we allow ourselves to become supporters for- or constituents-of the activities of our birthplace-nations, then we are just as guilty as they no matter what the outcome. It seems that there is a lot of dirt-under-carpet sweeping and revisionist historicity concerning the nasty, dirty laundry of every national group, no matter how pristine they present themselves to their citizens by their officers of moral dissemination. (ie: "spin doctors") Do things like "French-Indochine War", "Siam/VietNam", "French Angola", as all these are fires that were started by the French, but then left by them as either won, lost or "dissuaded" by the US to continue their atrocities. Oh the humanity of it all. There isn't a great amount of morally obviated humanity and ethics reasoning in some of the early land-grab wars in which NZ imbibed: "Wairau Affray" "The Flagstaff War" "The Hutt Valley Campaign" "The Wanganui Campaign" "The First Taranaki War" "The Waikato War" "The Second Taranaki War" "The East Cape War" "Te Kooti's War and Titokowaru's War" ...............and I'm only up to the late 1800s here so far. I also cite (C/P) Wikipedia's list of incursions that NZ has partaken in, been protagonist for/to, and/or initiator(s) of the following: # 1 Māori tribal warfare before 1806 # 2 Musket Wars (1806-1845) NOTE: In the first three wars Māori fought the British to a standstill each time. # 3 Land Wars / New Zealand Wars # 4 Second Boer War 1899-1902 # 5 First World War 1914-1918 # 6 Second World War 1939-1945 * 6.1 Middle East and Europe * 6.2 Pacific * 6.3 Naval war * 6.4 Air war * 6.5 Aftermath # 7 Compulsory Military Training 1949-1959, 1962-1972 # 8 Malaysia 1949-1966 * 8.1 Malayan Emergency 1949-1964 * 8.2 Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation 1963-66 # 9 Korean War 1950-1953 # 10 Peacekeeping and observation * 10.1 Kashmir 1952-76 * 10.2 Rhodesia: Operation Agila 1979-80 * 10.3 Multi-National Force and Observers 1982-current * 10.4 East Timor 1999-2003, 2006 * 10.5 Solomon Islands (2000 to date) * 10.6 Iraq (2003 to date) * 10.7 Tonga (2006 to date) # 11 Antarctica # 12 Vietnam War 1964-75 # 13 The Middle East (1982-present) Gung-ho NZers also have participated in modern off-shore wars. The Second Boer War, fought from 11 October 1899 until 31 May 1902 and between the British Empire and the two independent Boer republics of the Orange Free State and the South African Republic (Transvaal Republic), resulted from the history of British encroachment into or involvement in areas already settled by Afrikaners — who were known colloquially as Boers (farmers) — the descendants of the original Dutch settlers. This was exacerbated by the discovery of gold and diamonds in the South African Republic, after which many miners from British Empire countries migrated there. New Zealand decided to help fight for the British Empire and sent 6,500 mounted troops to assist the British efforts, making the war New Zealand's first overseas military campaign. Virtually every man in New Zealand was desperately keen to get to war, so the first soldiers to go were selected on the basis of who could afford to go. If a man could provide his own horse, rifle and equipment, costing about £25 in total, he could go to war. When the United Kingdom declared war on Germany at the start of the First World War, the New Zealand government followed without hesitation, despite its geographic isolation and small population. What's obvious here is that some sort of historical revisionist pact has been alluded to and downright signified about what constitutes "right equals might" attitude. Every standing army is rife with abuse and murder and immorality from top-down and amongst the rank and file. NZ is not exempt. I don't ascribe to NZ being "duped into a conflict" either as an anti-nationalist support attack since there is no real morality involved, but I believe it's just a land grab and financial stimulation to keep the your war machinations running and deep pockets filled with lucre. Open eyes mean open pockets in my book. A bloody sword is still immoral no matter from whose belly it is removed. LINK: Military History of Oceania (en.wikipedia.org) Perhaps your personal revulsion is from Gallipoli. I don't blame you as that was a fiasco on the grandest scale. Once burned...etc. It's time to look hard and long at the man behind the curtains: he's yanking your chain. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 748039 | 2009-02-15 18:36:00 | Wairau Affray Funny at school we were taught another name just like the memorial on the top of Tuamarina hill 400 yards away. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 748040 | 2009-02-15 19:12:00 | Joe - up to, and including the first world war, most of our soldiers who went overseas, were either Brits who had come here to start a new life, or children of the same. We were a very British society. Still a very British society in 1939 which got us involved in a world war, albeit a couple of years ahead of you guys who were making a fortune out of it anyway. Ken |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 748041 | 2009-02-15 19:24:00 | # 11 Antarctica The Antarctic Battle was a pretty minor skirmish, fought between an Irish penguin and a Spanish sardine. Our troops were only there to provide medical facilities (and sell hot dogs to the spectators). |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 748042 | 2009-02-15 21:17:00 | Joe - up to, and including the first world war, most of our soldiers who went overseas, were either Brits who had come here to start a new life, or children of the same . We were a very British society . Still a very British society in 1939 which got us involved in a world war, albeit a couple of years ahead of you guys who were making a fortune out of it anyway . Ken I know - :thanks -I was being somewhat all-inclusive to point out the arcane logic that some people are moral and others are not . Anyone who aligns themselves with a political or military entity is suspect if not completely over the edge of full corruption . "People" are - as a class - very immoral: a "Person" - on the other hand - may or may not be so . I like the soothsayer/political alchemist/Bon garçon of all time - Rush Limbaugh - who said: " . . . . . . . . . follow the paper trail . . . . . . . . " Not that he has any answers, but he sure can raise some smoke and flames of observational dissent . He is 100% "ON" about the money though . I don't get involved in the comings and goings of gummermints and politics except as an outside observer - but, REALLY - SOME people here think I just fell off the turnip truck and don't know a little something about morality and abuse of power at the throat of indigenous personages . I enjoy the spectacle unfolding before my eyes and I expect to be an old sage someday and get to say "I told you so" to whomever survives this current world o' regimes . It's like being an alien in an alien world or watching a play-Noir by Torquemada . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 748043 | 2009-02-15 21:39:00 | Interesting comments about Afghanistan from the site below. Scroll right to the botton and look at the section headed "Regimental anecdotes and traditions" These comments from 167 years ago tell all. www.britishbattles.com I also remember seeing a doco on the History Channel about CIA funding in Afghanistan to rebels to fight against the USA's nemesis... the Russians, or Commies as they were called in those days. These rebels, with American funding, arms and training ended up as the Taleban who are causing so much trouble today. I believe American funding was supplied to Saddam Hussein and his ilk as well. If I may be so bold to suggest, with no malice to you Joe, until America stops taking sides for political, not humanitarium reasons, these problems will continue. |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 748044 | 2009-02-15 21:45:00 | Joe, Are you an American, born and bred? Why do you stick around and post so much and so frequently in a "Kiwi" forum? Just interested :) Sorry for the overnight rumination of this question by me. I had to think about what I am doing here and can honestly say that I have several redeeming reasons for my presence - and after all. I want to be honest above all things. 1) I know where NZ is. Geographically. It's also upside down. 2) I speak the same language, sortta 3) I hearken back to the same Euro-roots 4) I have a computer - the internet - and a keyboard 5) I like several people here - and I was invited first! So there! 6) I am witty. That's a given. I am also modest. 7) I have a modicum of language skills 8) I am retired and have lots o' time to pontificate 9) I am NOT trying to sell you life insurance, toothpaste or peanut by-products 10) I am not politically aligned, but maligned instead. 11) I will not invade NZ or even Australia - not even for your vast supplies of hidden oil! 12) I like didgeridoo music. (a yank, the verb, not the noun there) 13) I get to see what youse guys screwed with last night with a chance to correct it before the international date line has exceeded the date here. 14) You have comedic sports that are of no practical or redeeming value - just like here 15 Youse guys sell sheep to the US - YUM! 16) You drink cold beer. 17) If I try REAL hard, I bet I can convert you to our system of measurements and volume. 18) You are far enough away from the US to not be dropping by all the time to borrow my hammer or power tools; same goes for the distance-security youse guys have with me. Give me a chance to find some more good things about me and what I think of youse guys: the day is yet young. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 748045 | 2009-02-15 21:49:00 | Cross out numbers 12 & 17 and we find you much like us! :banana Ken |
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