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| Thread ID: 97399 | 2009-02-14 03:58:00 | The debate Sweep vs Deane F. | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 747873 | 2009-02-22 08:11:00 | Advocating for a police state is crazy!!!:eek: Through out history when people have been given more power they use it for bad not good . :eek: Totalitarian action or organization, as well as governmental attempts to control or misuse information for the purposes of controlling, pacifying or even subjugating the population . With personal privacy lost to national state security with pervasive, invasive surveillance . :eek: Originally Posted by Sweep I mentioned "hopefully" because any person who has legal, valid and lawful access could use the Database for their own purpose which may not be covered by legislation to cover all circumstances for all people . That's so F!@#$%^ Dumb!!! SO MY OWN DNA CAN BE TAKEN BY ANYBODY AND USED . AGINST ME? WHY DO THEY WANT MY OWN DNA? DO ASK ME FOR IT? DO THEY PAY ME? So Medical Insurance Company's can deny you coverage or charge more because of your DNA risk . Information gathers who then onsell your DNA information to anybody who wants it!!! Dateing Agency's "Get Your PERFECT MATCH""DNA GARANTEED" Private Hospital "With your DNA we can make the PERFECT child for you,we can even make another you"!!! Having a DNA dateabase will be great for lasy and corrupt cops "Hay we got his DNA on record and then we got his DNA when we took his clothes from him,we got a MATCH BRO!!!""Yeah we can knock off now""Case closed"!!!!(Innocent person but cops stich him up as they need to solve a case and anybody will do to clear the work load and say they have solved another case/crime) . |
memphis (2869) | ||
| 747874 | 2009-02-22 08:47:00 | Don't need to DNA the law abiding population to identify the criminal scum, The crims are already known, they visit court regularly. | Metla (12) | ||
| 747875 | 2009-02-22 09:37:00 | SO MY OWN DNA CAN BE TAKEN BY ANYBODY AND USED . AGINST ME? WHY DO THEY WANT MY OWN DNA? DO ASK ME FOR IT? DO THEY PAY ME? Actually "they" already have the blood of almost everyone born in the last 40 years . At age one week the baby hospital takes a blood sample from a heel prick and currently checks for 28 different medical conditions . And what do they do with the leftover blood sample? Keep it ! (note the last line below) " . . . What are the uses of the left over blood? Any blood that is left over after screening is used for: Confirmatory testing: if the first result shows an abnormal result, another blood spot will be tested on the same card Direct benefit of the family/whanau: if a baby has died, at a doctor's request and with parental/caregiver consent, the baby's blood spot card can be tested to identify other disorders Monitoring the screening programme: for professionally recognised quality assurance programmes Setting up additional tests: for setting up new equipment for screening Forensic use: identifying a deceased or missing person or assistance with coronial enquiries . . . " |
decibel (11645) | ||
| 747876 | 2009-02-22 17:31:00 | The heel prick samples are allowed to be taken voluntarily by parents of babies. The Police do have access to the samples but have not used this very often - they have a memorandum of understanding with the MoH and the Privacy Commissioner has reported that there should be clearer guidelines about the use of the Guthrie cards. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 747877 | 2009-02-23 00:59:00 | Are you proposing that this database be accessible by anybody? I used a qualifier in my statement - that was the word "universally". If some laws are disregarded by all people then taking all the people to court would be unworkable - therefore the law would be a useless law. Yes, there was a clamour about random breath testing. The NZ Council for Civil Liberties kicked up a stink, as did several legal academics. I remember the public debate quite well. Yes. So? Identity fraud happens in NZ. There are also people prosecuted for identity fraud. But I do not think that this is a large enough problem to forcibly harvest DNA samples from every person in the jurisdiction. What makes you think there will be a usable DNA sample on 39 year old corpse? I did not mention ON 30yr old corpse but rather DNA tending to identify the corpse beyond probable doubt. Regarding the law about breath testing the law was passed in spite of the fact that there was a clamour against it rather than a clamour for it. I am not suggesting that the DNA database should be accessible to everybody. Only those people who are lawfully entitled under whatever legislation gets dreamed up. In my view the fewer the better. I am fully aware the Wanganui Computer Database was misused and information was supplied to debt collectors unlawfully. There should be harsh penalties for such misuse of any database. Just because a National DNA database COULD be misused is not a valid reason not to have one in my opinion. In fact we are already taking steps toward having a bigger database. See here:- www.scoop.co.nz |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 747878 | 2009-02-23 01:34:00 | [QUOTE I am fully aware the Wanganui Computer Database was misused and information was supplied to debt collectors unlawfully. QUOTE] Good one , you want to protect people who dont pay their bills. I am in business, people who dont pay their bills are scum of the earth, they deserve to be put in jail not protected by dumb privacy laws. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 747879 | 2009-02-23 03:15:00 | [QUOTE I am fully aware the Wanganui Computer Database was misused and information was supplied to debt collectors unlawfully. QUOTE] Good one , you want to protect people who dont pay their bills. I am in business, people who dont pay their bills are scum of the earth, they deserve to be put in jail not protected by dumb privacy laws. Please keep the posts relevant to the discussion. Perhaps you should start a thread of your own with your idea of bringing back debtor's prison...? |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 747880 | 2009-02-23 06:45:00 | The heel prick samples are allowed to be taken voluntarily by parents of babies. I agree, but how many parents of new-born babies think about this? They also have the option of asking for the cards back at the end of testing, but the figure is less than 2% The Police do have access to the samples but have not used this very often - they have a memorandum of understanding with the MoH and the Privacy Commissioner has reported that there should be clearer guidelines about the use of the Guthrie cards. Actually, because you have to know the name of the person before finding their DNA using the cards, this is a red herring from the debate's original proposition. |
decibel (11645) | ||
| 747881 | 2009-02-24 08:46:00 | I agree, but how many parents of new-born babies think about this? They also have the option of asking for the cards back at the end of testing, but the figure is less than 2% Actually, because you have to know the name of the person before finding their DNA using the cards, this is a red herring from the debate's original proposition. So in the event I visit a cemetery in New Zealand what makes you think I can not get a name and date of birth off a headstone. Red herring possibly but I do not know for a fact at this time. I still think that a National DNA database would be useful for a number of reasons. Eventually I will try to give a summary of those reasons. Deane F and I will carry on the debate possibly. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 747882 | 2009-02-26 01:20:00 | Waits for a reply from Deane F. | Sweep (90) | ||
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