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Thread ID: 97881	2009-03-03 00:21:00	TV: 100 or 50 Hz , Full HD or HD Ready ?	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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752899	2009-03-05 02:21:00	Very Very wrong. Ok I'll rephrase that: No -quality- modern panels blur anymore. What I've found with cheaper monitors is that they have a negative image blur; set your desktop to dark grey and move your mouse around. Rather than leave a white mouse trail, it leaves a black trail instead. This happens on the 2ms Viewsonic TN panel I'm using now at work, but it doesn't occur on my 6ms HP IPS panel at home. However this is pretty much irrelevant to TVs, because most LCD tvs are PVA (or IPS if they are more expensive). Very few TVs use TN screens. I think some 20" or smaller use TN. Another example is on http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ if you scroll up and down on that, the white text leaves a dark blue trail on the background. So in this case, '2ms' is actually worse than 6ms. It is very noticeable when they are side by side. To the OP: In the shop, ask the sales guy to show the credits of a movie. On the 100hz screens, the text scrolls upwards noticeably smoother while on normal screens it looks jerky.	utopian201 (6245)
752900	2009-03-05 02:29:00	The best way to choose a TV is to trial a couple at home for a few days watch a variety of media. The stores accept them back after you've taken home 5-6 and picked the one you want after a week? ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
752901	2009-03-05 04:58:00	The stores accept them back after you've taken home 5-6 and picked the one you want after a week? ;) Yip, we do, its a service we offer our customers 3-7 day trial, provided they look after the TV, (everyone does) you would be surprised at how well this works. and we generate extra sales this way. 5 or 6 is a bit OTT most people try 2, sometimes 3 at the most. We tend to offer this service to local and repeat customers or people known to us.	radium (8645)
752902	2009-03-05 05:47:00	Wow seriously? I wanna shop at your store, thats a great idea! Would certainly be useful when it comes time for me to get a nice flashy telly of my own :D Very cool stuff :cool	Chilling_Silence (9)
752903	2009-03-05 06:29:00	Exactly what I told you about Sky Sports and 100 Hz it makes a difference. 100 Hz made no difference with Sky Sports. With Blu Ray 100 Hz is noticeably better but only with certain scenes that are in motion, not all moving things seen on the screen. If you read and understand my first two posts you will see that just giving technical info is not what I am after. Even though I find tech facts interesting (I am a PF1er after all) such technical differences are not always discernible to the eye.	Strommer (42)
752904	2009-03-05 07:18:00	If it's not facts or technical specs you want then all that is left is what you think looks best. If you read and understood my posts you would see I have stated that already. And if seeing what you think looks best is all that you want to know, then what do you want out of this thread?	radium (8645)
752905	2009-03-05 07:58:00	For radium: This is what I stated above: Has anyone compared a 100 Hz screen with the usual 50 Hz? Side by side at the same time? Notice much difference? ...what it actually looks like, how it appears to a person watching... what is actually SEEN on the screen. What is perceived... Yes radium, you have in fact stated: "Sure some customers don't notice the lag, I have seen horrendous lag and the customer doesn't notice it. Once you notice it, you seem to see it a lot. True it only occurs in fast pace / action scenes. But Can be VERY annoying." The remainder of that post is technical. Radium you also wrote: "50 Hz vs. 100 Hz = Big difference, a huge factor to consider when buying LCD especially in anything over 37"." Technically there is a big difference but for me, my eyes, I would not say it is a "huge" or "big difference". For me it takes Blu Ray and only certain types of moving scenes where I could see a difference and on some of the demo Blu Ray 'flicks' those specific moving scenes were not present at all. What I am after in this thread is/was how many PF1ers could see a difference between 50 and 100 Hz, and for them to state under what conditions (viewing Blu Ray, normal DVD, Sky non HD, free to air non HD, or whatever). Since I started this thread I have found the answer myself, by going to several different stores. Most posts here focus on technical facts which may be interesting but are not relevant to what can be discerned by whoever is viewing the screen. Radium, I don't mind if you give more tech facts or other info because someone may find it useful, but lets end our Q/A session here. Thanks. If anyone else can post whether they can actually see a difference between 50 and 100 Hz (or higher) I would find it of interest. For that matter, HD Ready vs Full HD also.	Strommer (42)
752906	2009-03-05 08:29:00	For radium: This is what I stated above: Has anyone compared a 100 Hz screen with the usual 50 Hz? Side by side at the same time? Notice much difference? . . . what it actually looks like, how it appears to a person watching . . . what is actually SEEN on the screen . What is perceived . . . Yes radium, you have in fact stated: "Sure some customers don't notice the lag, I have seen horrendous lag and the customer doesn't notice it . Once you notice it, you seem to see it a lot . True it only occurs in fast pace / action scenes . But Can be VERY annoying . " The remainder of that post is technical . Radium you also wrote: "50 Hz vs . 100 Hz = Big difference, a huge factor to consider when buying LCD especially in anything over 37" . " Technically there is a big difference but for me, my eyes, I would not say it is a "huge" or "big difference" . For me it takes Blu Ray and only certain types of moving scenes where I could see a difference and on some of the demo Blu Ray 'flicks' those specific moving scenes were not present at all . What I am after in this thread is/was how many PF1ers could see a difference between 50 and 100 Hz, and for them to state under what conditions (viewing Blu Ray, normal DVD, Sky non HD, free to air non HD, or whatever) . Since I started this thread I have found the answer myself, by going to several different stores . Most posts here focus on technical facts which may be interesting but are not relevant to what can be discerned by whoever is viewing the screen . Radium, I don't mind if you give more tech facts or other info because someone may find it useful, but lets end our Q/A session here . Thanks . If anyone else can post whether they can actually see a difference between 50 and 100 Hz (or higher) I would find it of interest . For that matter, HD Ready vs Full HD also . I refuse to window shop for tv's after buying mine last year, can't afford another so I look . When I looked I could see the blur in a lot of tv's but then I think the majority of them were 50hz . I believe all Freeview and sky will be broadcast at either 720p or 1080i . Blu ray looks awesome even though technically my tv isn't fullHD . But I still love my samsung	plod (107)
752907	2009-03-05 08:50:00	I have seen 50 Hz and 100 Hz panels together and there is a notable difference to me in fast motion scenes and I wouldn't pertain that to solely blu ray video. I went to a customers place the other day, they rang up complaining about their 1080p philips lcd 42" panel they have sky HDi which when broadcast in HD is either 1080i or 720p and they complained aboout the "lag" which was prominent in the HD movie sky were showing while I was there. Now I feel if the TV had 100 Hz processing this would have removed much of the lag. I know Im talking specs, but it is what I saw. Sure I don't want to get into a debate with you bout who said what, just stating what I know and have seen. Cheers	radium (8645)
752908	2009-03-05 20:27:00	I notice 100hz 'motionflow' (sony) but my parents do not. So it really depends on you. Based on your posts, you don't seem to notice it enough to make it a worthwhile deal breaker, so its not worth paying extra for a feature you can't notice. Also features like motionflow introduce image processing lag, so sometimes it appears as though the sound is slightly ahead of the picture. But its not noticeable all the time and its not enough to annoy me.	utopian201 (6245)
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