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Thread ID: 97881	2009-03-03 00:21:00	TV: 100 or 50 Hz , Full HD or HD Ready ?	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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752889	2009-03-04 07:23:00	I found a place today that had a HD Ready 50 Hz 42 inch TV next to a Full HD 100 Hz 42 in. Sky Sports rugby on both, side by side. I sat there comparing and guess what... I could not see any difference, not a bit. My guess is that the rugby was not broadcast in HD - it did not look crisp and detailed like the Blu Ray demo playing on the other TVs in the store, but I would have thought the 100 Hz set would be better when the players were running or when the rugby ball was tossed or kicked, but no diff that I could see. The 50 inch screens were incredible with Blu Ray playing. If Blu Ray was as common as regular DVD movies and if most programs were broadcast as Freeview HD, and if price was no problem, I would get a huge full HD screen. But there are those "ifs"...	Strommer (42)
752890	2009-03-04 08:01:00	I sell and install HD Panels. 50 Hz vs. 100 Hz = Big difference, a huge factor to consider when buying LCD especially in anything over 37". You are doubling the frame rate which helps to eliminate LCD ghosting / lagging which is inherent in all LCD panels. 200Hz is here Sony have got it. A customer is trying out a 52" Sony LCD 50 Hz They came into today complaining about the ghosting that is occurring, we have ordered them a 100 Hz panel. Sure some customers don't notice the lag, I have seen horrendous lag and the customer doesn't notice it. Once you notice it, you seem to see it a lot. True it only occurs in fast pace / action scenes. But Can be VERY annoying. HD Ready means it meets the minimum requirements to be a HD panel 720p and up. Full HD is 1080p not 1080i 1080p is only going to be beneficial if you are running a HD source such as Sky HDi, Freeview HD, and Blueray. Or an upscaling DVD player, otherwise you are paying for something that you’re not going to get the most out of. Also Sky (normal Sky is 576i) far from high def, and the channels are so compressed through transmittion that artifacts and mosquito effect is common. Spend the extra and get 100Hz + and a high def source if you want true HD.	radium (8645)
752891	2009-03-04 19:36:00	To repeat: it is not the technical specs that I am concerned with but what is actually SEEN on the screen. What is perceived - not the maths. At two different shops I compared HD Ready with Full HD. When viewing a Blu Ray demo the 42 inch screen with Full HD was marginally better but the slight difference did not seem worth the extra cost. I have yet to see an improvement with 100 Hz but have not had a viewing when a landscape is panned by the camera (it appears jerky, whether it is on TV or at a cinema), and as I stated above the Sky Sports rugby that I watched was not in HD.	Strommer (42)
752892	2009-03-04 20:05:00	Wouldnt have a clue, till I see both in a shop, or I buy a digital USB or PCI tuner. So, I can see what it looks like on this monitor. Since it supports Full HD Its probably the same as what I see, when playing on the Xbox	Speedy Gonzales (78)
752893	2009-03-04 21:11:00	50Hz is 50 refreshes per-second, yes? Movies run at 29.97fps, yes? So effectively each frame is still being fully displayed, yes? Or have I missed some vital point here? :-/	Chilling_Silence (9)
752894	2009-03-04 21:45:00	No modern panels blur anymore. the 100hz, im not sure if that refers to the same as 100hz would for a monitor for a PC. I know that 100hz screens can have frame interpolation enabled. This is where it inserts frames so motion looks smoother. Sony calls this motionflow, other companies have their own name for it. It gives tv programs 'the making of...' look. For example in "The making of (movie)", they film the filming of a movie and they look smoother than the actual film itself. Whether this is a desirable feature comes down to personal taste. I like it and find it very noticable, but my parents can't even notice whether the feature is on or off. If you cant notice it, you probably don't need it. Sony W4000 doesn't have it and the W4500 is the cheapest one that does. Both have integrated Freeview and are full HD.	utopian201 (6245)
752895	2009-03-04 22:26:00	No modern panels blur anymore. Very Very wrong.	radium (8645)
752896	2009-03-05 00:10:00	I finally found a knowledgeable sales guy and he showed me the difference 100 Hz makes: the Blu Ray demo was the Ice Age movie (the kid's cartoon flick) and when zooming through the jagged ice (as if in a helicopter going through a canyon) the 100 Hz screen was smooth whereas the 50 Hz screen showed a jumpy jittery type of motion. But that was the only scene where there was any difference. I told the sales guy that I could not see any difference with a Sky Sports rugby game and he said its because they do not broadcast anywhere near HD - this has been discussed sometime last year here on PF1 and I believe it has to do with the signal being compressed to save satellite bandwidth. The 100 Hz screen was also Full HD and comparing it to the other screen (50 Hz, HD Ready) I could see a small difference but remember the demo DVD was Blu Ray. In summary, I think it would be good to spend an extra $300 or so to get 100 Hz. BTW today Farmers has 15% off all TV's and some other electrical goods (for Red Card holders but you can apply on the spot and get the 15% discount). They are open until 10 pm today, Thursday.	Strommer (42)
752897	2009-03-05 00:39:00	Exactly what I told you about Sky Sports and 100 Hz it makes a difference. And you said you didn't want technical facts. Stores play alot of animation and Blue Ray discs that look good and are made to sell TVs so finding LCD artifacts on them are almost impossible, Same as HD Generators, all digitally enhanced and are flawless. Which is a far cry from watching a true Sports braodcast even in HD. The best way to choose a TV is to trial a couple at home for a few days watch a variety of media. Not all TVs are created equal and although they can claim 1080p some of them do a crap job at processing the signal input. We have a 52inch Philips Full HD Tv install and the picture is quite poor. Check out the specs then trial a few Best way	radium (8645)
752898	2009-03-05 01:02:00	Used to be that buying a TV was simple. "Is it a colour TV?" "Yes." "Is it big?" "Yes, it's a 26 inch TV sir, the biggest you can get." "I'll take it."	Deane F (8204)
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