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Thread ID: 146129	2018-04-28 21:35:00	Linux	piroska (17583)	PC World Chat

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1448991	2018-05-15 04:45:00	It's NEVER hardware. Please explain then the following. (all timed not just the time, close enough) The original OS along with ALL programs imaged. *Original HDD, 5 years old - complete boot time from completely off to fully running mechanical drive = 1 minute 52 seconds * Image put onto new Mechanical Drive - Complete boot time 1.21 Seconds * image put onto New SSD Drive 14 seconds narr hardware has nothing to do with it does it ? Its all the same OS, Same programs, same tasks running on startup, yet totally different boot times. Everyone knows a SSD is far faster than a mechanical drive with the same setup, that's why its often suggested. But according to you there's no difference. Question Added: are you saying 1101's post #29 is also false ? He's said the same thing basically.	wainuitech (129)
1448992	2018-05-15 05:20:00	I think I have to disagree with both of you, which is unusual. It's sometimes hardware not never, but I'd dispute "most" pcs slowing down over time being hardware related as well. PC slowdowns are usually software related, occasionally hard drive related, and a bit less often something else (BIOS update reset CPU and memory clocks - seen that) Your hard drive examples are just showing the different speeds of the hard drives themselves, it in no way indicates anything in the original hardware has slowed down since it was new. For that you'd need a time machine and to do the same test when the drive was brand new but somehow with the same software on it that it has now. All you've shown is modern hard drives are faster than 5 year old hard drives.	dugimodo (138)
1448993	2018-05-15 09:42:00	Mysterious and magical slowdowns aside, there are huge differences in the way the gnu/linux ecosystem works that (imho) provide some clear advantages. This article is responding to the rise of “universal packaging” (snap, flatpak, appimage etc.) but along the way gives a good explanation of the reasons for “so many” different distro’s and the way software is, well, distributed. kmkeen.com	fred_fish (15241)
1448994	2018-05-15 19:21:00	Mysterious and magical slowdowns aside, there are huge differences in the way the gnu/linux ecosystem works that (imho) provide some clear advantages. This article is responding to the rise of “universal packaging” (snap, flatpak, appimage etc.) but along the way gives a good explanation of the reasons for “so many” different distro’s and the way software is, well, distributed. kmkeen.com Interesting Link Fred, even if most of it was above my head, and I see Mint got a mention. :) But some distros are in the business of becoming more and more of an ISV. Or occasionally an ISV will decide they need to have a distro. This leads to conflicts of interest and ethically questionable monetization decisions that never go over well with the community. Mint seems to be the counterexample of a good ISV/distro hybrid. They somehow manage to be an ethical upstream developer, listen to people and collect donations without making anyone too upset.	B.M. (505)
1448995	2018-05-15 20:56:00	It's NEVER hardware. Come on.....that's like saying my car drives slower now cause it's old Bad analogy - your car WILL drive slower because it's old. Cars lose horsepower as they age - an engine with 150k on the clock will churn out less HP on a dyno than it did brand new, with no other changes to it.	allblack (6574)
1448996	2018-05-15 21:16:00	Win10 IS just slow to start on many PC's . In the real world Its not win10 slowing down the startup . A nice new clean WIn10 install isnt too bad. But... You also have AV Loading updating & startup scanning, printer bloatware trying to load on startup, several cloud software syncing on startup , Brand name PC bloatware loading on startup . And all the installed software checking for updates & installing updates on startup. Then buggy drivers & software causing issues with shutdown. Sure Win10 updates do slow things down as they install on shutdown/startup. Thats not every day day though. I'd bet there more bloatware & crapware installed on Win10 PC than Lin PC's . Don’t forget with Win 10 the more you use your computer and the more changes you make to it, the more information has to be “phoned home”. Given the number of Win 10 computers in use, all reporting home, it is little wonder you can wind up in a queue.	B.M. (505)
1448997	2018-05-15 21:25:00	Please explain then the following. *Original HDD, 5 years old - complete boot time from completely off to fully running mechanical drive = 1 minute 52 seconds * Image put onto new Mechanical Drive - Complete boot time 1.21 Seconds * image put onto New SSD Drive 14 seconds narr hardware has nothing to do with it does it ? . You chnaged the hardware. Now you take a PC, test it when fairly new (afetr all has been set up and used for a week or two. Now take that same machine 5 years later, running the same O/S and same hard drives etc. It's slower, of course. Do a fresh install, or better yet, reinstall the image you hopefully made 5 years ago. Now test again. That is NOT hardware, it's impossible to say the same hardware, barring failure of that hardware will run slower. You're comparing 2 different things. Thats what I mean. As for the car analogy......it may be "slower", not really exactly, run worse due to the motor getting tired. Husbands old ute got that way, 650K ish...I wouldn't say slower, it started to die though. So his ute 200K earlier? Nope couldn't say it was zippier 400k earlier than 200K later.	piroska (17583)
1448998	2018-05-15 21:37:00	All a bad analogy really. Forget cars. Hard drives changed. Even back when. 5400rpm, 7200 rpm, IDE vs sata etc. You can't compare speed on a machine with different parts put in. That's then not the same machine. Leaving the SAME hardware, the same drive. Assuming the drive is OK, no dead sectors or such, it's not possible. Electricity slows down? data throughput changes? It can't. At that level, that's all computers are doing, on/off, 1/0, moving electrical current about. Yes, you may need to upgrade. As my son did, his old hardware was not handling the new games so well. But that's a different scenario. If he did nothing but word processing or something, and kept his O/S the same, the software the same, and the hardware didn't get any failures, a clean install will help rid it of bloat, but it sure sin't going to be slower than it was when he first built it.	piroska (17583)
1448999	2018-05-15 22:09:00	Anyway, back to Linux . Bloat . Linux, well in my experience, can slow down to an extent . I have the same kernel . What is different is /home Not only did I upgrade (some of it) to a newer version, I have messed with it . I made most of my icons fancy, that thing where you can use any picture you like as an icon . (Don't pick one too fancy, it doesn't work so well when it's a small icon size, LOL) I messed with the desktop arranging I installed stuff . I uninstalled stuff . Now that is similar, at least as far as /home goes, it leaves things behind . Poking about I found that, I did the equivalent of a ccleaner, manually removing bits and pieces . Cautiously as I am not too clued up as yet . And then there is the built in tools for cleaning up archives and leftovers . How well that works, dunno . But I have a certain amount of clutter and pretty bits and such which has slowed it some . Not much, but a bit . GD hasn't touched hers, other than changing wallpaper a bit . And it boots into her desktop as it did . It's a lot better, no registry for one thing . I could reimage sort of thing, my /home and it would be back as it was, but it's so minor ath this stage, that I don't care .	piroska (17583)
1449000	2018-05-15 23:47:00	[QUOTE=piroska;1276629]Husbands old ute got that way, 650K ish...I wouldn't say slower, it started to die though.[QUOTE] 650? Nice - must have been a Hilux.	allblack (6574)
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