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Thread ID: 97993	2009-03-06 22:49:00	Copying copyright tapes	Thomas01 (317)	PC World Chat

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754166	2009-03-06 22:49:00	I have just tried DVD Shrink and been very impressed. My first attempt worked perfectly with no problems and was easy to use. But it takes hours to do the job. So now I have a perfect copy of the DVD we used to try the program. However I have no desire to backup my copyright controlled DVDs - even if we lost the lot in a fire I wouldn't shed any tears (except for perhaps Dirty Dancing!) We occasionally hire a film - but then having watched it are not bothered seeing it again probably for years. (except Dirty Dancing) The VCR we still own is probably the last we will ever be able to buy. But we do have a fair collection of tapes many of them very old. I would like to copy them to DVD (easier to store). Any suggestions about how this is to be done. I don't mind surrendering the tapes if a commercial service is existing and am prepared to pay a reasonable fee or try doing it myself, if there is a way. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
754167	2009-03-06 22:54:00	You'll need some kind of capture card with video in on it, and hopefully a program comes with it And if theyre copyright you probably shouldnt be asking	Speedy Gonzales (78)
754168	2009-03-06 23:20:00	You can buy a DVD/HD recorder and dub your tapes to its HD and then burn to DVD. You actually got to look at if it is really worth your while to transfer your tapes to DVD. I probibly have 200 tapes I have recorded stuff on. They are stored in a cupboard designed for tapes. I hardly ever watch them if at all, and would I watch them once on DVD, probibly not, so I well leave them where they are. I do have a DVD/HD recorder. Have transfered a tape to DVD for a friend. Yes I have quite a few copyright tapes as well. :)	Trev (427)
754169	2009-03-07 02:38:00	You can buy a DVD/HD recorder and dub your tapes to its HD and then burn to DVD. You actually got to look at if it is really worth your while to transfer your tapes to DVD. I probibly have 200 tapes I have recorded stuff on. They are stored in a cupboard designed for tapes. I hardly ever watch them if at all, and would I watch them once on DVD, probibly not, so I well leave them where they are. I do have a DVD/HD recorder. Have transfered a tape to DVD for a friend. Yes I have quite a few copyright tapes as well. :) Yes I agree completely - in fact I have begun to arrive at the same conclusion - it's probably not worth bothering. Like you I have too many tapes. But only about 100 I have made myself. No problem with them I can use my Sony DVD recorder and have done so already for a few. I am lucky is some ways - some of my tapes were made in the days when we paid a license fee to watch TV so a lot have good films with no advertisements in them at all - perfect. But of course the complainers insisted we would have better TV if the license fee was done away with. No comment. So we actually ended up buying some films on tape. Not many and I am not wanting to ruin the copyright situation. If I can copy to DVD then the tapes can be scrapped. Storage space is now a problem. So many people told me never to down grade from a large house to a small. I didn't listen of course and being pensioners we don't need the space. Well that WAS the theory. I have tried to copy commercial tapes using the same Sony and got a message on screen that it was not possible to copy that tape. So copyright is involved. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
754170	2009-03-07 03:15:00	However I have no desire to backup my copyright controlled DVDs - even if we lost the lot in a fire I wouldn't shed any tears I have tried to copy commercial tapes using the same Sony and got a message on screen that it was not possible to copy that tape. So copyright is involved.Just to make things very clear, as you seem to post conflicting statements, asking for help with piracy is against the forum rules. It is not legal in NZ to make copies of commercial DVDs without the content owners express permission.	Jen (38)
754171	2009-03-07 03:19:00	In my opinion I am just as confused as some other posters here. This because of confusing laws, legislation and etc over copyright and who owns what and on what media. So at the moment I have a number of vinyl LP records I bought. This was in the days where the average person did not have access to computers. I had stereo equipment and played my various LPs at whatever time I wanted to and normally for my own entertainment. However, sometimes I had a visitor at my home who while I was playing said track or LP said, "That sounds good, who is it?" At that time I could lend the LP to the visitor but that would take away my usual right to enjoy a record which I paid for until I get the record back if ever. In the event a person walks into my home and listens to a record does this mean I am doing a public broadcast? Much like I can hear my next door neighbour playing music and I did not buy any tracks I may hear. Is that a public broadcast? In the event I buy a book. Unless I scan it I can't share it with anyone and keep the book and read it at the same time. So back to square one. I simply do not know my rights!	Sweep (90)
754172	2009-03-07 08:29:00	Just to make things very clear, as you seem to post conflicting statements, asking for help with piracy is against the forum rules. It is not legal in NZ to make copies of commercial DVDs without the content owners express permission. Obviously Jen I am adding to the confusion. Or you are not reading my stuff. I thought I made it clear I am not interested in beating copyright rules. I only tried the DVD program for interest, but I believe it must be used by others thousands of times every week. Let me repeat - I am not interested in asking for help with piracy - I just want to know is there some way I can get my tapes changed for DVDs. After all once VCRs become unavailable I will no longer have the film etc that I paid money for. Even if the tapes still exist, once I have the DVD replacement the tapes will be scrapped. Surely if there enough of us, somebody in the commercial world will set up a system where we send our tapes to be exchanged. A fee would have to be involved. With regard to DVDs, I have read many many times that we are allowed to make a backup copy for our own benefit. I repeat I have read. I have no idea what the actual legal position is. I do remember years ago some firm (I think it was Wilsons - but could be wrong) sending the school I was teaching at, a letter informing us that we would have to pay them a copyright fee for all the programs we were saving and using at the school. Needless to say the letter was ignored. Nothing happened. The copyright rules are pretty weird all round - they just haven't kept up with technology (as PCWorld noted this month). I look forward to lots of interesting discussions. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
754173	2009-03-07 08:37:00	Bad news, Dude. Based on my experience with a HD recorder for the tv - it WILL NOT record old tapes that have copy protection mechanisms on them I researched the issue some years ago... and now forget what the 'technology' is called - but there is a signal encoded onto commercial / copyrighted tapes which my gear refuses to capture. All I get is 3 blank bands across the screen. Copying old stuff I've recorded myself - no problem. But copying / capturing commercial content - no luck. There is aparently some technique to filter out the offending part of the signal - but as ithers in this thread have already pointed out - it gets to a point where you have to ask yourself if it's really worth the bother. Has to make you think twice before buying any commercial media which is subject to restricting what the user can do with it. On that same note, these now popular HD recorders / Sky boxes etc are compliant with another consumer unfriendly technology - the broadcasters can set a bit in the signal that tells these recorders to go into pause mode... so these expensive bits of kit that are appearing in everyones homes couuld - at the order of the rights holders - be set to ONLY record the adverts! ANd it is all beyond our control. We are all just pawns in the hands of the RIAA - most of us however still haven't learnt that. THey are just biding their time before eroding more of the priveledges we take for granted.	Paul.Cov (425)
754174	2009-03-07 08:45:00	Since the video content manufacturers are so all-fired possessive for multi-year periods about what you can or cannot do with the tapes you have bought from them, you could pursue them through the courts to give you a medium fit for it's purpose or rectify any deficiencies in durability with the heavily copyrighted material they have foisted on you. Obviously, if the copyright is so enduring, the product lifetime should match. Expecting logic, fair play, or common sense to apply to anything to do with the recording industry is possibly a bit on the far side of optimistic. (I hope they all get Vista.) ;)	R2x1 (4628)
754175	2009-03-07 08:48:00	Play your video tape in a VCR, capture it onto your HDD using a TV/Tuner capture card, edit the file, burn onto a DVD with ImgBurn or DVD Shrink or any decent "paid for" programme. Sure it takes time, but if you get that video converted to DVD professionally, it will cost you about $80 per tape :(	Zippity (58)
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