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Thread ID: 98010	2009-03-07 09:54:00	F*** this recession.	bob_doe_nz (92)	PC World Chat

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754472	2009-03-08 03:45:00	Hi Prefect There are a number of inter-relationships between jobs such that no one job can claim to be any more important than others. Granted someone has to make the widgets but ask yourself who pays their wages? Where do the materials come from to make the widgets? Who makes sure the materials are there when needed? Before the payroll person can pay the wages, where does the money come from? Who chases up the slow payers? Who makes the sales to give rise to making money? Who pulls the whole team together to make sure everyone is working in the same direction? And so on and so on.....granted some roles are superfluous and parts of some organisations are inefficient, but IMO sweeping statements about the makers of widgets being the people who make the money is a bit simplistic. Andrew I agree to that. The admin staff are generally the gel of the team. They make sure things are on track, ie., project plans, status plans, organise team meetings, making sure minutes and agendas are done and distributed out incl organising external meetings / seminars as required. Making sure bills are paid, employees are paid their salaries, chasing after suppliers that they are paid or that their bills are paid for them, sometimes they may not send us a invoice but the team may keep on accrualing for it and it becomes a headache. Organising team functions, get togethers, orientation, team building, wind down and wind up events after some milestones, staff farewells. Ordering refreshment and catering, booking venues, organisning travel for those who may be out of towners. Making sure everyone can access their workstations, ID access cards for buildings, organise new staff so they have a login ID, their emails, access into restricted folders. Deal with the monthly financials assisted with a accountant on a monthly basis who just check over them as the person who knows the inside out is the admin person, not the offsite accountant.	Nomad (952)
754473	2009-03-08 03:51:00	It may have been better if you had looked for another job whilst still employed. For some reason employers seem to favour applicants who are still working. :( I agree with that althou some may argue that if they have more time, ie., no job, they have more time to apply to jobs. The two questions the employer may ask is, why did you leave your last job and my understanding is that you lack skills and you may not have worked in many places before, they expect to access your past employers for referee checks. Re: the dole thing, one thing I like from that is access to paid education / training. It shows employers that you are active in improving your sell points. They may think or even ask you, what have you done in these months, you didn't get interviews, why didn't you do something else, go for lower jobs or get more training. There is little point doing the same old stuff if you consistently getting the same -ve response.	Nomad (952)
754474	2009-03-08 03:55:00	Look back at history last depression lasted 1929 to 1940 this one wont be any different How much cash are you willing to put on that statement? The last recession we had was in 1989 and that lasted a couple of years....	johcar (6283)
754475	2009-03-08 03:59:00	There's a saying that economists have predicted seven out of the last three recessions...	Deane F (8204)
754476	2009-03-08 04:32:00	Dip. in Comp engineering, w/ 2 years non related retail work. Wouldn't mind something in a helpdesk/call centre area... Even dishwashing isn't so bad (I enjoy it). Grew up in a food industry background. Try contacting Paul Brilson from Vodafone. He mentioned in the media that they couldn't fin enough enough NZ staff for call centre work, which meant they had to contract out some in Egypt. Maybe this recession/depression, will mean that we will get a alot of these previously subcontracted jobs to asia/middle east, back into NZ, as our NZ dollar plummets.	robbyp (2751)
754477	2009-03-08 04:33:00	What is your education and background in? I would think temping or fixed term contracts in the area of administration may be ideal for some people to get the foot in the door. Some only need marginal education, mostly attitude and a indication that you can do the work. Some admin work can pay you $50k PA Gross. They may even allow you to do some financials, admin work, minutes, report wriiting etc. I am only assuming you are after office work and this can be a macro approach to get in and then isolate what you want later ... I did that, prior to even that I was in call centre. I am now a Analyst. 2nd job on that. Really where? 50 K gross is a great income. Many people don't even get 30-40k for admin work.	robbyp (2751)
754478	2009-03-08 04:40:00	Really where? 50 K gross is a great income. Many people don't even get 30-40k for admin work. Pretty standard really. Not your normal admin role thou. You do things like meeting minutes taking, agendas etc etc... report writing. Private sector are maybe paid more than the public sector. 45-50k are probably the salary mid point for the public sector project mgmt based. Depending on which org. Project co ordinators may have a 55k. In 2003 when I was working in a call centre, temping with the agency they paid us $12/hour gross, then after the training, I was paid $14/hour. 2004 when I was also temping via an agency, mainly photocopying collating materials for auditors, I was paid $18/hr gross I think. At the time I was a administration assistant. Once you are Analyst or Accountant / Auditor etc etc.. researcher in public that gets to 65k, seniors are 75k. Again depends on org, can be +/- 10%.	Nomad (952)
754479	2009-03-08 04:41:00	I don't have a license as I don't want one. And I can walk. I wouldn't hire anyone without a license, as I may want my staff to go a get something for me, to go to meet with clients. If they don't have a license, they are useless to me. That could be why you aren't getting any replies.	robbyp (2751)
754480	2009-03-08 04:44:00	I wouldn't hire anyone without a license, as I may want my staff to go a get something for me, to go to meet with clients. If they don't have a license, they are useless to me. That could be why you aren't getting any replies. Or maybe they have to sift through several hundred other CV's as well. It also depends on the sort of job as well mind you.	bob_doe_nz (92)
754481	2009-03-08 04:58:00	Yep - my job actually often requires that I don't leave the premises during a shift - but I still needed a drivers license when I applied. It's almost a qualification it would seem - may be worth investing in, bob_doe_nz? I took a beginner for a driving lesson once. I don't think I have ever clenched my sphincter muscle so hard and for so long. I don't know how driving instructors do it.	Deane F (8204)
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