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Thread ID: 97993	2009-03-06 22:49:00	Copying copyright tapes	Thomas01 (317)	PC World Chat

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754216	2009-03-11 01:07:00	Has there ever been a "fair use" clause in copyright? I think there may be in the USA or was. "Can't get a man with a gun" out of Annie Oakely was borrowed or paid for via royalties. If I use part of Hamlet in a quote does Shakespeare still get royalties? More to the point now, I would think that all of my original posts on this forum should attract a payment from Fairfax in the event my post is published in a place other than PressF1. The same could be said of all others who post original material for example.	Sweep (90)
754217	2009-03-11 01:16:00	There's No Business Like Show Business From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from There's No Business Like Show Business (song) (en.wikipedia.org siness_%28song%29&redirect=no)) Jump to: navigation (en.wikipedia.org 9#column-one), search (en.wikipedia.org 9#searchInput) This page is about the song. For the film, see There's No Business Like Show Business (film) (en.wikipedia.org 9), a 1954 movie musical "There's No Business Like Show Business" is an Irving Berlin (en.wikipedia.org) song, written for Annie Get Your Gun (en.wikipedia.org). The song, a salute to the glamour and excitement of a life in show business (en.wikipedia.org), is sung in the musical by members of Buffalo Bill (en.wikipedia.org)'s Wild West Show in an attempt to persuade Annie Oakley (en.wikipedia.org) to join the Wild West Show. It is reprised 3 times in the musical. The song is also featured in the 1954 movie of the same name (en.wikipedia.org 9), where it's notably sung by Ethel Merman (en.wikipedia.org) as the main musical number. The movie, directed by Walter Lang (en.wikipedia.org), is essentially a catalogue of various Berlin's pieces, in the same way that Singin' in the Rain (en.wikipedia.org) — which starred Donald O'Connor (en.wikipedia.org) as well — was a collection of Arthur Freed (en.wikipedia.org) songs. There was also a disco (en.wikipedia.org) version of the song made during the 1970s, with Merman reprising her singing role (see The Ethel Merman Disco Album (en.wikipedia.org)). A portion of the song is used to open the "Tinsel Talk" segment of the Stephanie Miller Show (en.wikipedia.org). On their album Fair Use: The Story of the Letter U and the Numeral 2 (en.wikipedia.org l_2), the sound collage (en.wikipedia.org) band (en.wikipedia.org) Negativland (en.wikipedia.org) edited samples of Ethel Merman's performance as part of one track, in which she is made to praise theft of all kinds, particularly theft of music, as another way of satirizing copyright (en.wikipedia.org) issues. This would later be expanded into the title track of the No Business (en.wikipedia.org) album, with both the movie version and the disco version edited and mixed together. Mindless Self Indulgence (en.wikipedia.org) front man Jimmy Urine (en.wikipedia.org) often lip syncs (en.wikipedia.org) to this song as an opening or closing act during live shows.	Sweep (90)
754218	2009-03-11 08:05:00	4 posts in a row!	roddy_boy (4115)
754219	2009-03-11 09:04:00	Be fair roddy_boy - the posts were spread over an hour or so. Even so, it might be a record. Or Sweep was talking to himself... :D	johcar (6283)
754220	2009-03-11 11:25:00	No johcar, I flatter myself that he was talking to me...	Laura (43)
754221	2009-03-12 01:42:00	Be fair roddy_boy - the posts were spread over an hour or so. Even so, it might be a record. Or Sweep was talking to himself... :D I was trying to help Laura as it happens. Maybe I did and possibly I didn't. If you read the article from Wikipedia you may have noticed the "Fair use" issue which I think is open for discussion in this thread.	Sweep (90)
754222	2009-03-12 01:47:00	4 posts in a row! If you wish to not read my inane posts you can use the CP in PressF1.	Sweep (90)
754223	2009-03-12 07:23:00	Can I make a CD from albums I own? No, only holder of the license can make copies of CDs I can't make a copy for my car, or a compilation dance CD for a party? No, you don't have a license, as buying a cd is only allowing *you* to listen to the items. What about making a backup in case the original gets damaged? This isn't legal anywhere, including the US of A. USA hasn't issused a legal or not and courts have ruled one way or another. Can I make "fair use" of material in New Zealand? Yes, provided it is only to do the following: criticism, review, news reporting, research or private study. I taped a concert I went to. Can I copy this onto CD? Tapping your kids concert is illegal without written permission to do so, without first getting this permission you have already broken the law and by making a copy of the illegally tapped concert you are further doing illegal actions. This is called "bootlegging". Next you'll be saying I can't tape off the radio or TV! Yes, you can't. Well you can, but as already said in this thread its only allowed for Time Shifting. Can I download MP3s from the internet and copy them to CD? Yes, but only do so from New Zealand as other countries have laws that do not have any relation to New Zealand or may not include illegal activies that are enforce in New Zealand. Is computer software different? Only if directly expressed in the terms, conditions and exceptions in the Enduser license. It also must be software purchased from New Zealand to include such exceptions. Can I lend my backup of a computer game to a friend? No, you can only use the backup you may have made, and then only allowed to use it if the orginal is damaged or lost this is by law, not by software acceptace of license. So I can't give away backups of my Playstation games either? ...No... (And to my knowledge Console games aren't allowed to be backedup in NZ - thou I can't find facts to back that up.) But I've seen lots of "backups" of Playstation games and Karaoke discs for sale on auction websites. A lot of people break the law. Does copyright expire? Yes. Films: 50 years after the end of the year it was made. Sound recordings: 50 years after the end of the year it was made. Software: 50 years after the last person has died who worked on the project. What are the penalties for breaking copyright law? It may include any of the following, including more than one: all copies of illegal software confiscated $150,000 fine three-month jail sentence. Is copying without permission ever acceptable? Students, educational institutions, libraries and governments have very limited exceptions to what they can copy without are sometimes allowed to reproduce copyrighted materials, but the circumstances are very limited. What can I use my CD burner for then if I can't copy CD's? Only things you have made can be placed on media you copy to, or things you have written confirmation from the copyright holder. At the end of the day, who is to say who has copyright information? Does the Company have copyright rights over the artist they represent or does Artist have it over the Company. Most people believe the artist has it over the company... this isn't true, the company has it over the artist - which is why a lot of artists do it by themselves so they can control it and not some money fradster like the record company. Sorry for going off topic but I wanted a subject to sink my teeth into to waste a bit of time.	AnokFero (13401)
754224	2009-03-12 08:15:00	Quoting Anokfero : "Does copyright expire? Yes. Films: 50 years after the end of the year it was made. Sound recordings: 50 years after the end of the year it was made. Software: 50 years after the last person has died who worked on the project." It depends upon which country you are in. In the US the Sonny Bono act of 1998 retrospectively extended copyright, by 20 years, such that recordings that had been in the public domain then came back into copyright. www.keytlaw.com Such is the power of the US music industry, RIAA, copyright ghouls etc, that they have successfully forced the closure of at least one UK website that had downloadable music over 50 years old.	Terry Porritt (14)
754225	2009-03-12 09:10:00	Oh dear. I am deep in the doo - doos. While driving home I flagrantly placed a CD into the player of the car stereo. This then converted the stationary CD I bought into a spinning CD that was simultaneously travelling down the road = a moving violation. Then a laser shone on the CD and converted the physical bumps of the CD into modulation of the reflected light beam = a change of medium. Alas, it gets worse, the light beam gets converted into tiny electrical impulses = another medium change. Next, with undue malice the whole dang signal gets digitised = format change. With reckless disregard for the rights of the copyright holder, the digital data train gets modified to camouflage any missing bits. Heinous stuff. Next, the much transformed work of art is converted to an analog signal, obviously without any permision in writing from the upstanding copyright holders. Unbelievably, it is then amplified - was the original sacrosanct work not good enough? The next piece of unlicensed skullduggery is to apply this much transformed signal to some Heath - Robinson contraptions with magnets, copper coils, cones and hemispheres of varied materials which are all shaken about wildly. An obvious format change again. Alas, in my reckless disregard for the rights of the poor performers, I had the window down for a moment or two to facilitate hand signals to an errant motorist, and the music leaked outside where any unwashed peasant could have recklessly and greedily listened to it = unauthorised public performance. Most of these serious offences were committed brazenly through every note of the work. The recording industry will probably want me flogged for a couple of weeks before being sent for trial and public dismemberment.	R2x1 (4628)
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