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| Thread ID: 98010 | 2009-03-07 09:54:00 | F*** this recession. | bob_doe_nz (92) | PC World Chat |
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| 754522 | 2009-03-10 05:17:00 | How I see it personally is that it is a rescue package for the needy. Not a payment just because you are not working. For that a house ownership is not about essentials. Many professional people these days and increasing just rent esp some countries when it is so expensive. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 754523 | 2009-03-10 05:47:00 | So you may be working and buy a house or other dwelling using money from a bank. Then you lose your source of income and can't pay the outgoings. Back to the budget in my view. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 754524 | 2009-03-10 11:13:00 | My view on the dole is that if you have tons of money why should one get it. It is life, everyone can lose their job, then you be proactive to look for a new one. It may be similar or totally diff or get more / diff training. You have good times and bad times in the economy. I don't agree. People who have got money shouldn't be discrimanated from getting the unemployment benefit. If you use that argument, then you could say the same thing about the pension, and that people who have saved shouldn't get the pension, and it should only be for those who haven't bothered to save, or have frittered away their cash. The fact is that people who have saved, have probably paid more in taxes anyway, so if they have the misfortune of going on a benefit, they shouldn't be treated any differently. Otherwise everyone may as well not save, and we may as well just spend up large. This is what many people have been doing, which is one reason why NZ is in so much financial trouble, and could go bankrupt within 5 years. |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 754525 | 2009-03-11 04:34:00 | Yup, I don't support the pension either. People should be proactive about it. If they need support it should be harder to apply as well as to maintain it. Ie., it is not just a monthly meeting at the winz office for 2 minutes and at the beginning attend a once for all 5-day-seminar. If people are faced with misfortune, that is just life. Such as is divorce, running a business, dollar drops cannot to go disneyland. Via the lives people have good times and bad times. They should get training, and or head to a diff area jobwise, get a lower job if it keeps them in employment. I have known people who used to work as call centre operators, and then stacked shelves in the supermarket cos it kept their family dry overnight and pays the mortgage. I myself, finished uni with 2 or 3 degrees, first job in a call centre $12/hr gross and still had to make compulsory contribution to my $30k student loan. Finally climbed to an Analyst position, lost job via restructuring then got a job as a admin person and then I was back to an Analyst. I am quite in favour of compulsory superannuation instead of pension, which allows one to transfer it away should they not make it to retirement age and can divert the funds to their needs if they have a will organised etc and pay less tax overall. Thus abolish the pension itself. Instead of being handed the money, they are saving it instead. Otherwise I quite enjoy the method that you can only get so much ie., 4years of benefit per 10years, once that is used up and still jobless for whatever reason you apply to local govt body. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 754526 | 2009-03-11 04:47:00 | RE: I myself, finished uni with 2 or 3 degrees ??? | Scouse (83) | ||
| 754527 | 2009-03-11 05:14:00 | RE: I myself, finished uni with 2 or 3 degrees ??? Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Commerce, Postgraduate Diploma 12 month course over Xmas. Half way via the first I chnaged major then I had a bit more points, so I finished the 2nd degree with an extra year than to waste it. Then I enjoyed the subjects and thought hey .. what about doing a PG Diploma, which would be nicely received by prospective employers. I quite enjoy student life. Work life now appears to be mundane, less thinking out the box, you are not exactly learning / discovering new stuff all the time. Who knows I may do a Masters part time while working, my manager is working on her MBA. With paid courses at work, I may fly to Auckland University and attend a 2 day intensive course in financials, which I haven't really been with which should be a good round up course to what I have now. Straight out of uni, took me a good 3 or 4 months to get my call centre job cos people were not keen on hiring people without substantial work experience, hence I accepted that lower role. So I went from call centre, admin support to now analyst to admin via a restructure and now back to analyst. While I am in the analytics, I am doing nothing like what I did at school. I personally think the job does not need a proper qualification, just lateral thinking via workplace experience. Most people don't even work in their education fields. Many people I encounter in the office don't even have a tertiary qualification. They may of had School Cert or 7th Form or a short Diploma Course at a Polytechnic. I know one fella cos I attended a presentation at work re: data warehouse, the dude who is a Lead Analyst was there at inception, didn't have a IT background, he learnt all his stuff on the job. Having said that trades people could get a lot more dough. Same as consultants, I even have friends who might only be mid to late 20s and they are consultants over in England and Australia to name two. I think it is short sighted, know friends and family like cousins who say I have an accounting degree so I will do nothing by accountancy then they always complain cannot get a job need to look overseas NZ too small. I would think some of them think I am this level up I am not gonna do admin work and some of them I think go on the dole for part of that reason. |
Nomad (952) | ||
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