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| Thread ID: 98265 | 2009-03-17 23:38:00 | SIS Files on MPs and public servants.... | Terry Porritt (14) | PC World Chat |
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| 757292 | 2009-03-17 23:38:00 | "Monitoring a sitting MP, purely because of the views he espouses, is an affront to our parliamentary system," Locke told the Sunday Star-Times . . stuff . co . nz/sunday-star-times/1393948" target="_blank">www . stuff . co . nz Hmm, what are peoples views on this ? I can think of 2 British MPs who espoused similar views to Locke and who were in the pay of the KGB, Raymond Fletcher and Tom Driberg, and there have been many public servants similarly involved with the KGB going way back . Similarly we had Fascist sympathisers and traitors though maybe fewer of that persuasion than there were of the left . If an MP or a public servant hold 'extreme views', either of the right, or of the left, should they have tabs kept covertly on them ? And who defines 'extreme'? |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 757293 | 2009-03-17 23:53:00 | I want to know what Locke was doing to come to the attention of the SIS at age 11!!! The problem with organisations like the SIS is historical - even the Romans were aware of the hooks: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (en.wikipedia.org)", and according to that Wikipedia link, even goes back to Plato... |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 757294 | 2009-03-17 23:53:00 | Locke and his ilk definitely need watching. Its not the right wing conservatives ya gotta watch its the commies. Some commies/greens and liberals are dead set in ruining our democratic capitalist system. I would hope the SIS have a nice fat file on him and his parents and if they have to destroy it make a few copies on Mr Xerox. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 757295 | 2009-03-18 00:38:00 | Locke and his ilk definitely need watching. Its not the right wing conservatives ya gotta watch its the commies. Some commies/greens and liberals are dead set in ruining our democratic capitalist system. I would hope the SIS have a nice fat file on him and his parents and if they have to destroy it make a few copies on Mr Xerox. We have a democratic system and also capitalist as well. But we also have a Communist system in so far as some try to make all people equal for some reason. Under that system I believe that some people are more equal than others much like our Socialist system is today. en.wikipedia.org ing_to_his_need |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 757296 | 2009-03-18 02:28:00 | Yep the commies are like that Sweep, In their upside down utopia they expect a bus driver to be paid the same as a pilot. Wait thats not a bad idea! |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 757297 | 2009-03-18 02:34:00 | Let's elect Locke as Prime Minister/President of New Zealand. Imagine the &%^%^%^^& mess we would be in................ |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 757298 | 2009-03-18 02:56:00 | I want to know what Locke was doing to come to the attention of the SIS at age 11!!! The problem with organisations like the SIS is historical - even the Romans were aware of the hooks: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (en.wikipedia.org)", and according to that Wikipedia link, even goes back to Plato... Not much at 11 - "when he attended a social function with his mother, Elsie Locke, the well-known writer & communist." I interviewed her many years ago (possibly about the time he was 11) & found her a delightful lady with heaps of brains. But it wasn't until I reported on a Muldoon election meeting much later that I found I was being photographed by a (very obvious) SIS person. "Can't trust these reporters, you know..." I did wonder if I'd ever been promoted to "a file," like some of the more conspicuous journalists I knew. It would've been rather a badge of honour at that particular time. Edit: And Terry, you are just stirring on a quiet day... This is old news, which got heaps of publicity last month. |
Laura (43) | ||
| 757299 | 2009-03-18 03:12:00 | Whether Terry is stirring or not, I never did get the logic behind Keith Locke's objection to the SIS investigating MPs when he first raised it. What the hell is so special about MPs that they shouldn't get treated the same as the rest of us? Either we have a SIS or we don't - the SIS should either be able to investigate everyone or no-one. Personally, I don't see MPs as being in any kind of special inviolate category. What is the man thinking? Who else should be exempt? Kindergarten teachers? Judges? The Governor General? Mothers of 10? Personally I see it as some kind of divine justice - it was MPs who created the incompetent bunch of idiots, so it is only fair that the blunt instrument should be turned back on its creators. |
John H (8) | ||
| 757300 | 2009-03-18 03:48:00 | Not much at 11 - "when he attended a social function with his mother, Elsie Locke, the well-known writer & communist." ..............found her a delightful lady........................................ etc Edit: And Terry, you are just stirring on a quiet day... This is old news, which got heaps of publicity last month. :) you hit the nail on the head again Laura, the idea was maybe to take some of the heat out of the Wallace debate............:) Anthony Blunt was also a charming gentleman, so charming he fooled the Queen for years and years........... Then in NZ there was Sutch...... The right wing maybe should also be watched, they may be passing information to the CIA...........> p10.hostingprod.com I have no doubt there has been a file following me around since the day I signed the Official Secrets Act, had a mugshot, and fingerprints taken. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 757301 | 2009-03-18 04:00:00 | Sorry Terry, at the risk of creating more heat, you made a mistake there. You should have said "Then in NZ there wasn't Sutch...." There was never any real evidence that Sutch was a spy. Unlike Blunt. |
John H (8) | ||
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