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Thread ID: 98260	2009-03-17 18:17:00	Steven Wallace Shooting - give up please	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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757232	2009-03-18 01:18:00	The constables could have helped him out a bit when he was dieing on the road. I think the cops had issues there as well as shooting someone who wasnt armed. Give a cop a gun and he will use it, thats why they arent armed in the first place. If the cops carry guns the crooks will need to arm themselves for self protection. I am 1000% in favour of not arming cops. Shooting someone for breaking windows is not really on so I disagree with this latest report. I agree with Roscoe why arent the cops trained to disable not kill. There is just too much killing these days.	prefect (6291)
757233	2009-03-18 01:46:00	Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good argument . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . That in the circumstances they found themselves in, Constables A and B could not reasonably have adopted a less violent means in self-defence . 23 . 18 That Constables A and B conformed with Police General Instructions and relevant sections of the Crimes Act 1961 relating to the carriage and use of firearms . General Instructions F60, F61 and F64 and S48 (self-defence) Crimes Act 1961 . That on the facts Constable A is not culpable for the death of Steven WALLACE . Neither is Constable B as a party, ie Section 66 Crimes Act 1961 . Preeeecisely! And I fear, Metla, that were you to adopt the same approach, you would be shot too, but somehow I think you are too smart for that, and I also think you are smart enough to know that talking wasn't going to stop a man in a blind or insane rage, whether chemically or mentally induced . I don't think all the talking in the world would stop you either if the red curtain came down . Talk is cheap, and knowingly or not, Wallace pushed the envelope way past the limits that conciliatory talking was going to halt . I'd call it suicide by cop, and I reckon he got exactly what he went out and asked for . Sad, but reality . Billy	Billy T (70)
757234	2009-03-18 01:54:00	Next time the cops prove themselves so ineffective and pathetic that the best action they can up with is to grab a gun and kill a man for smashing windows then they are welcome to give me a call, Pay me large sums of money and I'll come and take charge of the situation. Me, the two cops, helmets, batons, Job done with minor injuries within 3 minutes. We don't pay cops to kill us......	Metla (12)
757235	2009-03-18 02:28:00	Let's try it this way. If I drove at 200kph along a dirt road at midnight and crashed into a tree and died... is that my fault? Of course it is. Is that a terrible unavoidable tragedy? Of course not. I knew the risks, knew it was dangerous, knew there was at least a small chance of it all turning to custard, but chose to do it anyway. Considering that I drove along a deserted road, not hurting anyone but myself... do I deserve to die for that? Not really. But it's the chance I took & I'm responsible for the consequences of my actions. If I'd behaved like everyone else, drove along a sealed road at a legal speed, I'd live to play another day. Like everyone else. But if I ran around town with a baseball bat/golfclub/whatever & was confronted by police - armed or unarmed... am I responsible for any danger I may be in? Of course. I chose to behave like that and even when the danger of my actions was put right in front of me (a police weapon, in this case) and I CHOSE to continue behaving like an idiot, knowing the risk I was taking, then I assume full responsibility for any consequences. If I'd behaved like everyone else, and spent a quiet night at home, I'd live to play another day. How's that?	Peterj116 (6762)
757236	2009-03-18 02:36:00	Metla : We don't pay cops to kill us...... ! not normally I would hope, only those bad guys out there. Don't the police also carry pump action shotguns in the car boot, although saying that, at 5 - 6 meters it would make a horrible mess at knee level. Not many (if any) police forces' throughout the world go unarmed today and why should they, with the uncouth society we have amongst us. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
757237	2009-03-18 02:58:00	Looking at Wallace's photos, he seems to have been a pretty beefy guy. Police or not, there will not be many brave enough to 'fight' an enraged beefy guy with a baseball bat. That's just suicidal. Wallace asked for it. He ignored all the warnings. He advanced towards the police. Deserved it or not, his death is one that doesn't sadden me one bit.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
757238	2009-03-18 03:00:00	So we are again with two schools of thought and bever the twain shall meet. Reminds of the films that show a mafia hit man who we know kills for a living,but it can't be proven,we have those that say we must get the proof and those who like me who say shoot the bugger b4he kills again,would never do for the do gooders.	Cicero (40)
757239	2009-03-18 03:02:00	Preeeecisely! And I fear, Metla, that were you to adopt the same approach, you would be shot too, but somehow I think you are too smart for that, and I also think you are smart enough to know that talking wasn't going to stop a man in a blind or insane rage, whether chemically or mentally induced . I don't think all the talking in the world would stop you either if the red curtain came down . Talk is cheap, and knowingly or not, Wallace pushed the envelope way past the limits that conciliatory talking was going to halt . I'd call it suicide by cop, and I reckon he got exactly what he went out and asked for . Sad, but reality . Billy right	voyager (10529)
757240	2009-03-18 03:03:00	Next time the cops prove themselves so ineffective and pathetic that the best action they can up with is to grab a gun and kill a man for smashing windows then they are welcome to give me a call, Pay me large sums of money and I'll come and take charge of the situation. Me, the two cops, helmets, batons, Job done with minor injuries within 3 minutes. We don't pay cops to kill us...... wrong again, get a life	voyager (10529)
757241	2009-03-18 03:07:00	Police or not, there will not be many brave enough to 'fight' an enraged beefy guy with a baseball bat . I thought it was a golf club? The officer that fired the weapon should have let Steven physically attack him . Then they would have reason to shoot him . Preferably in the limbs .	bob_doe_nz (92)
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