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Thread ID: 98260	2009-03-17 18:17:00	Steven Wallace Shooting - give up please	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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757212	2009-03-17 21:38:00	Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good argument . . . . . . . Report on Steven Wallace shooting at Waitara Conclusions | Recommendations | Contents | Download full report Steven James Wallace fatally wounded at Waitara Sunday 30 April 2000 - Report Detective Inspector BR Pearce, June 2000 ConclusionsThe following conclusions have been compiled following a detailed investigation into the circumstances leading up to and particularly immediately prior to, Steven WALLACE being shot by Police . These conclusions follow a careful examination of the principal scene including forensics, ballistics and toxicological examinations . The testimony of a number of key witnesses has significantly contributed to the formulation of the conclusions . That in the 15-20 minutes which immediately preceded his being shot by Police, Steven WALLACE was acting in an irrational, destructive, threatening and dangerous manner in various public places within the Waitara township . That during that period he embarked on a rampage of destruction directed at various buildings in Waitara including the Police Station, Fire Station, New World Supermarket and other businesses situated in McLean Street, Waitara . That within that 15-20 minute period he attacked and damaged with a golf club, an occupied taxi and Police patrol, drove dangerously and at speed narrowly avoiding at least two collisions with a motorist and a cyclist . That Steven WALLACE threatened to attack an occupied motor vehicle owned and driven by Witness 16 . That after Constables A and B had independently observed WALLACE's violent activities they, without collaboration, quite correctly concluded the need to arm themselves with firearms for selfdefence purposes . That in initially approaching WALLACE from a safe distance, Constables A and B did nothing to provoke WALLACE, other than by their presence . That only after initially approaching WALLACE and realising he had armed himself with a golf club and baseball bat did Constable B draw his pistol and identify himself as an armed Police Officer . That Constable A kept his pistol holstered until WALLACE threw a golf club at him . That Constables A and B immediately adopted a defensive, conciliatory retreating response in direct contrast to WALLACE's offensive and threatening advance . That Constable A repeatedly, as he retreated, endeavoured to communicate and negotiate with WALLACE, calling on him to desist while advising that he was armed . That Constables A and B retreated over a distance of 60 metres during which time WALLACE significantly reduced the distance between himself and Constable A from approximately 20 metres to approximately 5-6 metres . That the firing of a warning shot by Constable A was appropriate in the circumstances but did nothing to deter WALLACE's advance . That having drawn his firearm in self-defence, Constable A had no opportunity to adopt a less violent means even had he considered that to be an option . That in the face of what appeared to be an imminent physical attack involving a baseball bat, Constable A had to take a positive action or risk losing control of his own weapon and serious injury to himself . That Constable A genuinely feared for his own life and shot WALLACE in an act of self-defence . That Constable B also genuinely feared for Constable A's life and seriously contemplated shooting WALLACE in self-defence of Constable A and himself . That in the circumstances they found themselves in, Constables A and B could not reasonably have adopted a less violent means in self-defence . 23 . 18 That Constables A and B conformed with Police General Instructions and relevant sections of the Crimes Act 1961 relating to the carriage and use of firearms . General Instructions F60, F61 and F64 and S48 (self-defence) Crimes Act 1961 . That on the facts Constable A is not culpable for the death of Steven WALLACE . Neither is Constable B as a party, ie Section 66 Crimes Act 1961 . That while issues of fact are more properly the domain of a jury, it is considered that no jury properly directed could, beyond reasonable doubt, find that Constable A shot Steven WALLACE other than in selfdefence . That Steven WALLACE died as a direct result of an unsurvivable gunshot wound to his liver and that no act or omission by any person to render first aid or other emergency treatment could have saved his life .	Scouse (83)
757213	2009-03-17 21:42:00	Metla, unfortunately you were not there on the day so whatever you say can not compare to the actual incident at that moment of time. I also think taser would be used these days. sarel	sarel (2490)
757214	2009-03-17 21:53:00	Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good argument....... Happens every weekend, In every town, the bit that is out of whack is the cop with the gun shooting him dead. The cop was fearing for his life? ***,weak and pathetic. No wonder the real crims roam free, the cops are scared. What the hell do they sign up for?, giving out speeding tickets. Cops should be charged immediately after killing someone, and the court should decide.	Metla (12)
757215	2009-03-17 21:57:00	, Steven WALLACE embarked on a rampage of destruction directed at various buildings . That within that 15-20 minute period he attacked and damaged with a golf club an occupied taxi and Police patrol, drove dangerously and at speed narrowly avoiding at least two collisions with a motorist and a cyclist . That Steven WALLACE threatened to attack an occupied motor vehicle . That Constable A kept his pistol holstered until WALLACE threw a golf club at him . esist while advising that he was armed . That the firing of a warning shot by Constable A was appropriate in the circumstances but did nothing to deter WALLACE's advance . That in the face of what appeared to be an imminent physical attack involving a baseball bat, Constable A had to take a positive action or risk losing control of his own weapon and serious injury to himself . No . I'm with Metla . Police Officers are trained in fighting . They are equipped with various things other than firearms . The guy had a baseball bat . Not a gun . Not a knife . If they shot everyone for vandalism and lunatic driving there would be dead people all over the place . We had a little episode on friday night where a drunk young person crashed into a car, continued and crashed into their fence, and continued - although not getting to far due to the damage on his car . The owner of the hit car and a mate took off after this twit and suceeded in preventing his escape until the cops came . If a couple of teenage boys can handle that, then an experienced trained cop can handle a mad guy with a baseball bat .	pctek (84)
757216	2009-03-17 22:00:00	Metla..... just curious... What's your take on that idiot that bled to death after cutting his arm smashing windows recently? Was he a poor misunderstood darling too, or was it just karma for another violent dumbass? I loved how the TV news described it as a "tragic death". Don't tell me how I'm supposed to feel about it. I don't think it's "tragic". Just another Darwin award, imho.	Peterj116 (6762)
757217	2009-03-17 22:05:00	I don't care in the slightest that the guy cut his arm and died, I don't believe that he deserved to die for smashing a window but his life and death means nothing to me. Likewise I don't care about Steven Wallace or what sort of person he may or maynot have been. My concern is for the cops killing people for petty reasons.	Metla (12)
757218	2009-03-17 22:10:00	Why don't they just use Tranquiliser Guns/Darts like they use to disable animals, in his case same difference. Once he is disabled then lock him up and do what they need to do. We seem to have an ever increasing bunch of morons running around doing crazy ****.	Bantu (52)
757219	2009-03-17 22:18:00	Totally agree with you on "some" police letting power go to their heads, but the facts, as kindly posted by Scouse: - Steven WALLACE was acting in an irrational, destructive, threatening and dangerous manner - drove dangerously and at speed narrowly avoiding at least two collisions with a motorist and a cyclist . - realising he had armed himself with a golf club and baseball bat did Constable B draw his pistol and identify himself as an armed Police Officer . - That Constable A kept his pistol holstered until WALLACE threw a golf club at him . - adopted a defensive, conciliatory retreating response in direct contrast to WALLACE's offensive and threatening advance . - . . . calling on him to desist while advising that he was armed . - firing of a warning shot So . . violent nutter who's already done a lot of damage and showed no signs of his anger abating, approaches police who have identified themselves and warned that they were armed, this little darling threw the golf club at him, then they fired a warning shot & he still approached them threateningly? I would have shot the loony bin, too . But yeah . . . a tranquilizer gun would be great . But that impinges on his God-given right to run around like a maniac, destroying everything .	Peterj116 (6762)
757220	2009-03-17 22:34:00	Perhaps if he hadn't commited a crime in the first place he would be alive today?	Pato (2463)
757221	2009-03-17 22:37:00	I think it was the getting shot that killed him, not doing the crime.	Metla (12)
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