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Thread ID: 98558	2009-03-29 04:59:00	Is Telecom NZ getting out of the ISP business?	johcar (6283)	PC World Chat

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760403	2009-03-29 04:59:00	Both Vodafone and Orcon have ADSL2 gear installed at my local Telecom exchange. I know this because both are trying to sell me their services - quite aggressively. However Telecom cannot supply me the same service via the same exchange. Their website advises me that I won't be able to get Telecom ADSL2 service levels at my address until 2011! So there is either some REALLY bad management going on at Telecom, or it is a deliberate strategy to let other ISPs pick up all the customers from an unbundled exchange, without even trying to compete for those customers. If it is a deliberate strategy, then one has to ask oneself, "Why?". The only reason I can see is that, if other ISPs pick up the customer-base, then Telecom can invest in other business areas - although they would still be responsible for maintaining the existing copper network (until it was completely superseded by a new technology - WiMax?). But Telecom not only lose their ISP customers with this strategy: the faster networks (ADSL2) allow customers to experience the joys of Skype with video and VOIP (yes, I know these are viable with ADSL - but video becomes so much less laggy on ADSL2), further reducing Telecom's traditional income stream. It seems a bad strategy from Telecom's point of view - if they know (and of course they do) which exchanges are being unbundled, they should be upgrading their own equipment in those exchanges at the same time they open those exchanges up to other ISPs, to compete for the customers on the same technology level with the likes of Orcon and Vodafone. Perhaps Telecom have a different world-view. Or perhaps they have an amazing technology up their sleeves (like they did with CDMA!!!) that will make everything else redundant, and knock all the other ISPs into bankruptcy. (Tui!)	johcar (6283)
760404	2009-03-29 05:34:00	I guess you must be getting a roadside cabinet in your area (I won’t have thought your exchange has not been upgraded to ADSL2, as far as I am aware most Auckland exchanges have already been upgraded to ADSL2) If that is the case that you are getting a cabinet in your area is that once Telecom installs the cabinet, Orcon & Vodafone wont be able to provide ADSL2 to you, as they cant access the cabinets (yet, the govt is sorting out the access rights for other ISP’s) So it’s a win / loss situation for ISP’s (As Orcon & Vodafone, could loss clients, while Telecom, could get clients wanting ADSL, but cant get it with Orcon & Vodafone)	stu161204 (123)
760405	2009-03-29 05:36:00	Well I'm inside the Vodafone Red network area, so would assume that they have installed their gear at the exchange. Orcon too...	johcar (6283)
760406	2009-03-29 05:39:00	Edited:	robbyp (2751)
760407	2009-03-29 05:46:00	Severely edited!! :D	johcar (6283)
760408	2009-03-29 05:57:00	Comparing the hutt to the shore?	the_bogan (9949)
760409	2009-03-29 06:00:00	That was quick spotting! As I just PM'd to robbyp - he was close - I was born in the Hutt but have spent most of the last 40 years in Auckland... The Hutt is just a tad flatter than the Shore - far easier for a cyclist in the Hutt (if you don't mind the southerlies)	johcar (6283)
760410	2009-03-29 06:14:00	It'll definitely have something to do with their cabinetisation programme. They probably figure that rather than invest in equipment at the exchange, only to rip it out in 2011 isn't worthwhile. It's likely by then they'll have VDSL equipment in the cabinets. You will have to double check on this, but if I recall correctly, once the cabinets are in, the exchanges will be phased out - meaning that the likes of Vodafone/Orcon etc. will need to rip out their equipment and replace it with new gear in the cabinets (of which 40% of the space is reserved for non-Telecom equipment).	somebody (208)
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