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| Thread ID: 98567 | 2009-03-29 19:30:00 | Michael Laws hits the nail on the head | nofam (9009) | PC World Chat |
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| 760568 | 2009-03-30 05:43:00 | From Michael Laws article: "Devolution of government services to Maori has been the official policy since 1985. The belief that whanau know best. Has it made any difference?" Yes it has. Any doubters need to look at the provision of health services by Ngati Porou on the East Cape. |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 760569 | 2009-03-30 05:59:00 | Yes it has. Any doubters need to look at the provision of health services by Ngati Porou on the East Cape. So, has having Ngati Porou involved reduced the need for extra funds over and above areas without special funding, and bought the occurrence of self inflicted diseases down to a level in line with the rest of the population. Or has it just created an expensive separate race based health system that has had no measurable effect on the stats? Interested in what the story is. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 760570 | 2009-03-30 06:09:00 | I believe the model was set up under a previous National Government (under English from memory). Ngati Porou are funded in exactly the same way as all other health providers around the country. The basis is exactly the same and there are no special concessions for Ngati Porou because they are 'Ngati Porou'. They are subject to the same scrutiny as everyone else and are equally accountable for the money and health objectives. Whilst they aren't promising the earth, they are doing the best they can given the same financial/budgetary constraints faced by every other publicly funded health provider. It is essentially community-based health solutions and in my opinion it works. I have seen this from the inside so rest assured I'm not making this up. The community based service works for a number of reasons - but consider the alternative on the East Cape is a long and winding drive to the likes of Gisborne, so this is probably a special case. It also works because the focus is preventative and/or educational - rather than remedial health care. Whilst I agree with some of what Laws' says, I don't agree with all of it - I picked on this aspect purely because I have worked there. More information here: www.ngatiporouhauora.org.nz Cheers Andrew |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 760571 | 2009-03-30 08:36:00 | www.ngatiporouhauora.org.nz So may I ask why this Health Service has positions available in Gisborne if, as you say, "It is a long and winding road to Gisborne." Forgive me for asking but I'm sure you have the answer. I also remember a certain Maori MP who lived over that way who seemed to get herself in the poo for some reason. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 760572 | 2009-03-30 19:32:00 | Fair call. They have some clinics based in Gisborne (as well as other places up and down the coast) but the base hospital and most services are centred in Te Puia Springs. Laws may have a point in some areas but to me this highlights the fact (much like the TVNZ news threads) that the talking heads and/or the journalists don't necessarily know the facts before they make sweeping statements....... |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 760573 | 2009-03-30 19:46:00 | The Law principal remains in spite of dubious details. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 760574 | 2009-03-30 20:38:00 | Did you grow up in South Auckland, by any chance? I did. So I'm a little more qualified than some to discuss why Maori are under-represented in out universities or many skilled professions. Growing up somewhere qualifies you to support your opinion with quaint anecdotes? I suppose it does. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 760575 | 2009-03-30 20:42:00 | Yes. It does. Because I've seen the behaviour, instead of making blanket cliche comments. |
Peterj116 (6762) | ||
| 760576 | 2009-03-30 20:49:00 | At the risk of sounding a bit "commie" (as per prefect), I would say that you have seen SOME behaviour that supports the generalisation that many have. Living in one particular area does not necessarily enable you to state with any certainty that any other areas are/were the same, better or worse than the area you grew up in. Generalisations are just that, and are, at best, anecdotal evidence only. |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 760577 | 2009-03-30 20:52:00 | Fair point. But.... anyone watching the news can see the parade of brown faces in court and make the same comments. Very annoying when they're the ones bleating about how down-trodden and disadvantaged they are. What part of being poor makes you go out raping old ladies? |
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