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| Thread ID: 99005 | 2009-04-16 04:39:00 | Tony Veitch | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 765496 | 2009-04-17 23:15:00 | You're missing the point. This is a discussion on the subject. I don't read the un-news but I do read threads and the BBC website news. The mere fact I mention the name Veitch doesn't make it newsworthy, whatever your sycophantic opinion of me. Or perhaps your definition of 'news' differs markedly to mine...... sycophantic??? You're kidding. I wasn't trying to flatter you I assure you. The point is why read a topic you think is of no interest. Clearly the media think it is of interest and the fact that this thread was started suggests some people are interested in it. Personally I think it is an interesting study in how a situation that could have been resolved privately to both parties satisfaction through a restorative process, ends up with both parties being unhappy by going through a combative criminal justice process. Any process where your aim is to prove your case against the other side is almost bound to end up with this sort of antagonism between the parties. The fact that a tv presenter is involved in a serious offence obviously creates the media and public interest, no matter what you think about either party. Even after all that has happened, if I was family of either party I'd suggest they try some kind of reconciliation with a mediator, although realistically positions are now likely to be too entrenched to allow it to work. Putting Veitch in jail doesn't actually help the victim, and the court process certainly doesn't seem to have helped from what she is quoted as saying. But you would expect an accused to want to avoid prison, so the defence is almost always geared to knock down the other sides case. It's the way it works, but it might not be the best way. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 765497 | 2009-04-17 23:43:00 | Even after all that has happened, if I was family of either party I'd suggest they try some kind of reconciliation with a mediator, although realistically positions are now likely to be too entrenched to allow it to work. People tend to see mediation as some kind of wonderful alternative to an adversarial process - but it simply is not suitable for every case. One of the most important important prerequisites to entering a mediation is that the parties agree on the facts - and this was certainly not the case with the Veitch affair. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 765498 | 2009-04-17 23:47:00 | Yep, he loves to twist things to make his opponent look like a monster..... But for the record Deane, a slap is not the same as a kick that results in spinal injury.....a man or a woman who steps over the line in a relationship deserves a slap on the cheek. Try this for not twisting things then - you have stated quite baldly on here that you hit your little brother - and now you are stating quite baldly that you think it would be ok to hit your girlfriend too (if she deserved it). |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 765499 | 2009-04-17 23:53:00 | Mega troll | prefect (6291) | ||
| 765500 | 2009-04-18 00:08:00 | Mega troll You don't know the meaning of the word. You just think it means anybody who has a different opinion than yours and has the temerity to post it on "your" forum. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 765501 | 2009-04-18 00:23:00 | The next thing he well call you a commie, but I don't think he knows what that means either. :) |
Trev (427) | ||
| 765502 | 2009-04-18 00:35:00 | prefect, Twelvevolts & Zippity: This is NOT to get personal, understand? | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 765503 | 2009-04-18 01:03:00 | One thing I don't like about this case is the plea bargaining aspect - Veitch had a "totally confidential sentence indication hearing" the day before he entered the guilty plea. I would rather not see New Zealand go down the path of plea bargaining as they have in the US. I think it too easy to use such a system to obtain good outcomes for the professionals involved - rather than for victims, defendants and society as a whole. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 765504 | 2009-04-18 01:10:00 | People tend to see mediation as some kind of wonderful alternative to an adversarial process - but it simply is not suitable for every case. One of the most important important prerequisites to entering a mediation is that the parties agree on the facts - and this was certainly not the case with the Veitch affair. I don't know that they do disagree on the facts of the offending, they seem to disagree about who leaked what to who later on. Yes it is probably too late for mediation but I think it would have worked back at the beginning. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 765505 | 2009-04-18 01:13:00 | prefect, Twelvevolts & Zippity: This is NOT to get personal, understand? Well I'm all for that, but I claim self defense your honour. |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
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