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| Thread ID: 99251 | 2009-04-25 00:54:00 | Lest We Forget | --Wolf-- (128) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 768294 | 2009-04-25 11:02:00 | This for remembrance. home.nzcity.co.nz I note some apostraphes could be misplaced.:eek: |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 768295 | 2009-04-25 12:50:00 | Shame for what? Saying people will continue to fight each other, and pointing out all the wars before hand that no-one bothers remembering now? My grandfather was forced to fight for the Germans, then put in a Gulag by the Russians for doing so. I bet no-one would have made him welcome at one of these parades. Well the Russians were extremely irate at the Germans for invading their country. If I was a Russian after their massive losses in WW2 I would have been rounding up every bugger who fought against me. I acually think the Russians were quite tolerant to the Hungarians, Austrians, White Russians and Romanians who fought against them If New Zealanders fought for the Germans they would have be stuck in prison as well after the war, think its called treason or something like that. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 768296 | 2009-04-25 20:32:00 | Shame for what? Saying people will continue to fight each other, and pointing out all the wars before hand that no-one bothers remembering now? My grandfather was forced to fight for the Germans, then put in a Gulag by the Russians for doing so. I bet no-one would have made him welcome at one of these parades. You may well be right,but the points are political and Anzac day is a day of rememberance. Lest we forget |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 768297 | 2009-04-25 21:05:00 | You may well be right,but the points are political and Anzac day is a day of rememberance. Yeah - remembering the people that died for politics. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 768298 | 2009-04-25 21:49:00 | I acually think the Russians were quite tolerant to the Hungarians, Austrians, White Russians and Romanians who fought against them Most died in the camps. My grandfather was there for 10 years and then died not long after he got out as a result of the conditions. You know, I know quite a number of European people who were in Europe during WWII. Not one of them wants to talk about it or remember. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 768299 | 2009-04-25 22:17:00 | Anyway, a nice thought there WolfForest.... Did any of you happen to use Google yesterday...... www.imagef1.net.nz Another to their great display...... www.google.com |
Scouse (83) | ||
| 768300 | 2009-04-25 23:16:00 | www.warscholar.com | pctek (84) | ||
| 768301 | 2009-04-26 00:27:00 | Sorry I'm a bit cynical about it. What are we remembering? The dead who fought in the last 2 World Wars? OK, fair enough,..... I've tried to keep out of this post since there are some who too readily jump in and condemn others views that are either incompletely expressed or simply misunderstood I have to guess a little in saying that I think that pctek, while she has no problem with those who wish to honour and remember those who lost their lives in war, she is a bit cynical about the tendency to glorify war, and that to be ready to sacrifice of ones' life in war is a glorious thing If anyone saw the documentary on Sky this morning - "Shot at Dawn" (repeating at 1.30pm today on History channel) they will have seen the true face of how those mostly youngsters met their death Compelled by their fear of their own military officers and the threat of being shot for disobeying orders, all of those who climbed out of trenches and faced murderous streams of German machine gun fire experienced the same thing....abject terror With the exception of Australian troops those who defied orders were summarily tried at undefended mock trials on over 300 occasions by the British Military and shot by rifle fire in the hands of their compatriots "...the Battle of the Somme is famous chiefly on account of the loss of 58,000 British troops (one third of them killed) on the first day of the battle, 1 July 1916..." I doubt if any of the soldiers who were involved in that carnage were thinking of the glory that day No, we shouldn't forget the loss of life and the great suffering caused to the deads' families, but let's not fool ourselves - war is a brutal thing and not something to be celebrated brig |
brig (1359) | ||
| 768302 | 2009-04-26 00:37:00 | I doubt if any of the soldiers who were involved in that carnage were thinking of the glory that day No, we shouldn't forget the loss of life and the great suffering caused to the deads' families, but let's not fool ourselves - war is a brutal thing and not something to be celebrated brig Your the only person to mention glory. And honouring the dead has nothing to do with glorifying or celebrating the act of war. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 768303 | 2009-04-26 00:54:00 | Well said Brig, we can remember and honour those who fought and died for their country, we dont necessarily have to agree with the politics or the politicians who ordered them into battle. WW1 was a mess, on all sides. Technology and the weaponry had become 'modern' virtually overnight, whereas those in command had little experience of its use. It is no wonder that there were blunders and bad leadership. As for the view "my country right or wrong", or even "my allies country, right or wrong", well that is a viewpoint, albeit a dubious viewpoint by most reckoning these days, or certainly when the phrase was first used. rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com We can honour and remember those who fought and died in Vietnam, but there can't be many, except one or two on this forum, who these days still think it was a justifiable war, and that we should have been there side by side with the Americans. As DeaneF said, the Vietcong won, but we didn't see any dominoes falling over, which was the US justification for the slaughter and mess in the first place. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
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