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Thread ID: 99561	2009-05-06 21:48:00	Vodafone and Telecom make a Deal	csinclair83 (200)	PC World Chat

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771576	2009-05-06 21:48:00	Apparently while the lawyers were abusing eachother in court, they were also making a deal out back how to work it out with the new XT network....and theres a media thingy at midday today. What really gets to me is why did they still waste an entire day in court when they are also somewhere else making a deal? Hope the Judge finds out about this and slaps them with the bill for everything, judge, power, room rental etc... Am quite interested what the deal is.... **** Yesterday, lawyers for the two phone giants faced off in court over claims by Vodafone that Telecom's new XT Network was causing serious interference to customers on its own network. At the same time, the two companies were understood to be negotiating behind closed doors. An announcement is expected at midday today.	csinclair83 (200)
771577	2009-05-06 21:49:00	www.stuff.co.nz	wratterus (105)
771578	2009-05-06 21:59:00	They agreed to be a couple of giant wanks, to go forth and fleece the population, To continue to put marketing over service, to make millions and send it off shore. Give thanks and praise to the Lord and it will be all right.	Metla (12)
771579	2009-05-06 22:06:00	If we look at this as "who won and who lost" I'd say vodafone won - they got telecom to fix network, they moved launch date etc.... I really want the Judge to tell us his decision, would have been interesting to see if he actually ruled in vodafones favour or telecoms... telecom still gets its fast network, just 2 weeks later, dont see how this is going to change it for vodafone....	csinclair83 (200)
771580	2009-05-06 22:48:00	Yeah, Vodafone won. Look at the scenario... Vodafine already HAS 70% of the market. Telecom is coming in with a faster product, and is simultaneously accused / suspected of buggering up the dominant player - a Telecom tactic that does not seem out of character at all. Imagine the much greater uptake of users they'd get if Vodafones service was degraded. THey wouldn't need to compete on service or price - the customers would just pour in because their existing service was poked. Now Telecom has to do more to make the new service appeal. Speed, price, coverage... Personally, because of price, I totally avoid all but SMS use whenever I can - and who needs greater speed for that? For users like myself, this new network offers no incentive to upgrade... unless my existing srvice is degraded. Sounds like they are simply hastening their installation of filters, which had conveniently been delayed till after the planned launch, and the use of lawyers is the usual necessity to get Telecom to play fair. Until the threat of being penalized is real, Telecom will continue to push the boundaries of fair play... as evidenced by the Commerce Commission being perpetually investigating them.	Paul.Cov (425)
771581	2009-05-07 00:38:00	I would say Telecom were advised that the judge's decision had a good chance of going against them - otherwise I couldn't see them backing down and settling out of court like they have. Vodafone's evidence must have been reasonably good.	Deane F (8204)
771582	2009-05-07 00:56:00	Ha ha you can always guarantee metlas posts will ut a smile on your dial	Gobe1 (6290)
771583	2009-05-07 02:47:00	I would say Telecom were advised that the judge's decision had a good chance of going against them - otherwise I couldn't see them backing down and settling out of court like they have. Vodafone's evidence must have been reasonably good. I would say the judge would have first told them off for wasting court time, and then would have probably given a similar decision, as it is a compromise (lose lose for both parties) As long as telecom launches before the next iphone is launched, they will be happy. I think it is actually a win for telecom, becuase it makes VF look very agressive, in a market where they are going to lose customers to the new xt network. There is nothing however stopping them investing more of the huge profits they ship offshore, back into their NZ network , to get it back up to the speed and quality of XT.	robbyp (2751)
771584	2009-05-07 03:23:00	From an observer: My comment is that while Telecom will have the faster network with possibly greater capacity /for now - /Vodafone still has the better product over all + market share + plus a more advanced iPhone coming in June which Telecom doesn't have. Also the current Sony Ericsson being promoted still doesn't come close to the iPhone ( Telecom doesn't even have an apps store for the phone and neither does Sony) Both will need to continue upgrading their networks and increasing capacity to meet the growing demand from users.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
771585	2009-05-07 04:17:00	That "observer" needs to pull his iphone out of his arse, Thats about the last thing the majority of customers give a crap about. hell, Our local Vodafone store doesn't even bother to carry it.	Metla (12)
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