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866706	2010-03-25 02:14:00	This thread has gotten out of hand...	Thebananamonkey (7741)
866707	2010-03-25 02:51:00	This thread has gotten out of hand... x2	GameJunkie (72)
866708	2010-03-25 02:55:00	Ummm, i'm not convince of this at all, consoles are very poor versions of PC games, i doubt seriously the amount of R&D that ATI & NV put into hardware and NV to game development that this will happen...perhaps you are getting the wrong games? Borderlands, Mass Effect 2, Bad Company 2, Dragon age, Supreme Commander 2, Assassin Creed 2, Dirt 2, Just cause 2, Metro2033, Modern Warefare 2. Notice many big names there?, pretty much "most" of the biggest PC releases in the last 6 months All of the above are Co-developed console games off the top of my head in the last 6 months, I am sure ive missed a few. Most of these games are built around DX9 with the odd DX10/11 improvement hardly pushing the visuals. Metro 2033 being the only notable exception from "near" DX9 visuals. "Your doubts" or not there is your proof most major developers are no longer prepared to make PC only games. This has been known for several years, its just that these tittles are hitting the shelves now. Its not my "opinion" its whats happening. And yes maybe a thread on the state of PC gaming is a better idea than this one lol	Battleneter2 (9361)
866709	2010-03-25 04:08:00	We could talk about it for hours though, wont make a difference to the quality of PC games lol Will more likely just make us all depressed and wonder why we spend $ on our rigs when we could just go get a $500 console and be done	hueybot3000 (3646)
866710	2010-03-25 05:00:00	Borderlands, Mass Effect 2, Bad Company 2, Dragon age, Supreme Commander 2, Assassin Creed 2, Dirt 2, Just cause 2, Metro2033, Modern Warefare 2. Notice many big names there?, pretty much "most" of the biggest PC releases in the last 6 months All of the above are Co-developed console games off the top of my head in the last 6 months, I am sure ive missed a few. Most of these games are built around DX9 with the odd DX10/11 improvement hardly pushing the visuals. Metro 2033 being the only notable exception from "near" DX9 visuals. "Your doubts" or not there is your proof most major developers are no longer prepared to make PC only games. This has been known for several years, its just that these tittles are hitting the shelves now. Its not my "opinion" its whats happening. And yes maybe a thread on the state of PC gaming is a better idea than this one lol From the above it appears so, however as I already said.....hardly makes sense for new GPU hardware does it?	SolMiester (139)
866711	2010-03-25 07:18:00	Got this months Atomic mag today. There is an interesting article in it about upgrades. To summarise: Best Gaming Upgrades 2004 Generation AMD: Athlon 64 x2 4200+ ASUS A8n-SLI Deluxe 512mb Crucial PC-3200 Geforce 8800GTS 320Mb 2006 Generation Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 ASUS P5B Premium Geforce 8800GTS 320Mb 1GB Crucial PC2-5200 HD5770 In the AMD rig the minimum frame rates barely budged both before and after the upgrade. If you're running an even more geriatric system with a slow CPU and little memory, it will provide practically no benefit. HD5870 You might think that planting one of the better graphics cards on the market will reward you with some impressive frame rates in all the games on test, however this isn't the case. This clearly illustrates that components elsewhere in the system are preventing the graphics card from unleashing it's full potential. AMD If you are running an older Socket 939 your choices are limited. You are looking at a CPU, motherboard and memory – the best part of a complete rebuild. Core 2 Quad Q9550 If you perform a lot of video encoding and image editing, then this upgrade would see you right. Combing Memory and Graphics card upgrade Upgrading to a HD5770 saw little or no performance increase in Crysis. Throw in some extra memory though and suddenly the graphics card fulfills more of it's potential. A small amount of memory plus an older graphics card hinders your graphics card from operating at it's full potential. Conclusion No single upgrade will turn an old, stuttering PC into a powerhouse of performance. If you have been running a rig for 4 years or more, a complete rebuild is justified. -------------- Yep, I agree with that. You can upgrade bits, and I still like to have a high end GPU with an affordable CPU but it's true. There comes a time when you bottleneck the system just changing bits here and there. My son is in the old AMD PC situation and although he got an OK ish GPU upgrade a while ago and does have more than 512mB, it's past time for him to get a Core i5 system.	pctek (84)
866712	2010-03-25 07:29:00	. Metro 2033 being the only notable exception from "near" DX9 visuals . there is your proof most major developers are no longer prepared to make PC only games . Theres a bit in the mag about that too . It says: PC gamers are the most serious pirates around . Sales-to-piracy ratio is much better than on the PC where direct disc access tools are freely available . Upcoming titles from Ubisoft will feature a new DRM system . This will require a constantly active Internet connection, should your connection drop for any reason the game will pause and wait for reconnection . It also supports unlimited installs and stores your save games in the cloud, things many gamers have been looking for (really?), but probably not with such an onerous cost to play . It is undeniable that game experience on a pirated version of these games will be smoother and less prone to misfortune, (for sure) but if piracy has reached a threshold where more illegal copies are doing the rounds than will ever be sold, this approach may be all that is left before the platform is abandoned by major publishers . Which will suck . PC gaming, where it is written for PCs, and not ported beats the pants of consoles . Sigh . . . . . . I think it's inevitable that we will end up with crap game boxes instead . Well, the endless upgrade cost will be reduced, but so will my enjoyment too . Oh and irrelevant to everything - I'm buying Metro 2033 . . . . . . . .	pctek (84)
866713	2010-03-25 21:45:00	Well that Atomic mag article is on the right track . Not sure what games they tested, they probably didnt click many are the recent co-console games . They basically reached the right conclusion but didn't identify what exactly was causing the bottleneck with the faster GPU's . We know it is processor power . You could in theory still rip out that C2D and put in a C2Q and they would see gains in those "no improvement new tittles . That 939 rig is a right off basically . There quad summary is a little outdated and almost contradictory, however decent mainstream media article :P Yea I 100% agree the Ubisoft DRM is appalling and thankfully got slammed in a fair few reviews . PC gamers need to boycott these tittles imo . Its not all bad though, I enjoy/enjoyed Dragon age, mass effect 2, Bad company 2, all of which are co-developed console .	Battleneter2 (9361)
866714	2010-03-26 00:16:00	Well that Atomic mag article is on the right track . Not sure what games they tested, they probably didnt click many are the recent co-console games . They basically reached the right conclusion but didn't identify what exactly was causing the bottleneck with the faster GPU's . . Of course they know whats a port and what isn't . And they're not dumb, they do extensive testing and it's gaming related, not office - internet boxes . That's not the whole article, you read the mag for all the details . It was a summary .	pctek (84)
866715	2010-03-26 02:28:00	Of course they know whats a port and what isn't. And they're not dumb, they do extensive testing and it's gaming related, not office - internet boxes. That's not the whole article, you read the mag for all the details. It was a summary. well they are a little dumb, there quad core summary statement deserves a bit of a flame. But sure I appreciate you are just summarising and it may be a tad out of context.	Battleneter2 (9361)
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