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| Thread ID: 100799 | 2009-06-20 22:01:00 | Shipping container jail cells | somebody (208) | PC World Chat |
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| 784260 | 2009-06-23 02:55:00 | John Key said that to build a single cell for 1 prisoner costs $600,000 !!! That is more than it costs to build a nice house. Shipping countainer type buildings (they actually aren't shipping containers, but purpose built prefabs) will cost half that. Like always, the media are over hyping it and misleding people, as they are not actually 'shipping containers' that the government are considering, but purpose built prefabs that look a bit like prefabs. Yup. Ms Collins said the cost of adding converted shipping containers as cells in existing prisons was about $53,000 to $63,000 per bed - compared with $372,000 per bed to build a new prison using the same device. The cost per bed at the Spring Hill prison was $643,000, using conventional construction. She had viewed two mock-up containers at Rimutaka Prison - a shower block and a cell block. "It's what you put in it that is important - they're lined and have heat pumps. They're spartan but they do have lavatories, so they're significantly better than what we have in Mt Eden and Mt Crawford."from the article I cited earlier: www.nzherald.co.nz As a taxpayer, I am much happier spending $370k (or even better, $53k) to house a prisoner than the $643k the previous Labour government thought was necessary. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 784261 | 2009-06-23 03:02:00 | Anybody here know why it costs $600,000 just for a one room cell??? Unless John Key got it wrong on Breakfast, because it does seem very high, and I don't know how NZ can sustain that high price. I suspect it costs $600,000, because there are lot's of people clipping the ticket. That could be the price it has cost to build all our prisions, divided by the number of prison beds. I know that service peoplle who go into the prisions to provide services charge a lot more, than they charge to the general public, due to risk. |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 784262 | 2009-06-23 03:07:00 | Politicians. | ZapperBoy10647 (11988) | ||
| 784263 | 2009-06-23 03:16:00 | Unless John Key got it wrong on Breakfast, because it does seem very high, and I don't know how NZ can sustain that high price. I suspect it costs $600,000, because there are lot's of people clipping the ticket. That could be the price it has cost to build all our prisions, divided by the number of prison beds. I know that service peoplle who go into the prisions to provide services charge a lot more, than they charge to the general public, due to risk. That was the price for the most recently built prison (Spring Hill) in Waikato. It is cited elsewhere ($380million plus other costs) to house around 650 prisoners. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 784264 | 2009-06-23 03:23:00 | Build a prison on the auckland wharf.... 500mil for 3k prisoners lol. | ZapperBoy10647 (11988) | ||
| 784265 | 2009-06-23 03:25:00 | Build a prison on the auckland wharf.... 500mil for 3k prisoners lol. Why should prisoners get to enjoy prime waterfront real estate? |
somebody (208) | ||
| 784266 | 2009-06-23 03:36:00 | lol make sure the windows face inside the compound :) | ZapperBoy10647 (11988) | ||
| 784267 | 2009-06-23 10:08:00 | rehab? If punishment doesn't discourage their chosen lifestyle then talking to them ain't going to do a damn thing . And if punishment causes them to re-offend then back they go to jail . If they never twig onto the concept of behaving then so be it, their choice to live in jail . We should be adopting a 3 strike law . I just hope you're prepared to wear the cost of the three strikes policy, containers or not that will cost a lot to enforce . Following Americam solutions will no doubt result in the same issues they have in America . If it worked why is their murder rate so high?? I sat on a District Prisons Board for five years, I noted two things that seemed to make a difference to the majority of offenders . One was reaching the age of thirty and the other was finding a women who would straighten them out . Rehabilitation of one sort or another was also much better than no rehabilitation, so yes in a sense talking does work better than more prison . Length of sentence if anything worked the other way, just got inmates more pissed off and angry when they finally got out . The hard line policies promoted by so many on here will likely have exactly the opposite impact to what you think they will, more serious offending . Most of you seem to think inmates are all monsters, but majority aren't and in fact many of them could have been dealt with by more effective methods if we weren't spending all the money on container prisons and the like . |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 784268 | 2009-06-23 10:36:00 | .....finding a women who would straighten them out. :D Good luck finding women who wants to start a relationship with a crazy criminal. "Single, 28 year old currently serving time for killing a couple of dudes. Really interested in guns, violence and pain. Favorite things include gangsta rap, drive-by-shootings, P and weed. Must love FIGHTING dogs." |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 784269 | 2009-06-23 10:53:00 | I just hope you're prepared to wear the cost of the three strikes policy, containers or not that will cost a lot to enforce. Following Americam solutions will no doubt result in the same issues they have in America. If it worked why is their murder rate so high?? Excellent, crime rates in America have been on the decline for near 2 decades, and the 3 strikes policy cleaned a lot of petty criminals off the streets and averted crime escalation. Stop a problem when its small and it doesn't turn into a big one. I don't think crims are monsters, I think the ones that keep on offending have a debt to pay to society, and a responicbility (as we all do) to behave. |
Metla (12) | ||
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