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| Thread ID: 101093 | 2009-07-01 09:44:00 | Seabed & forshore | gary67 (56) | PC World Chat |
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| 787904 | 2009-07-03 00:20:00 | I don't like the idea of Maoris having guardian ship over the seabed. Because eventually it will come back to bite us. They will want to ban people from it or start charging etc. But then again I also don't like the idea of people such as the millionaire who owns half of Waiheke Island banning people from the beach there ! Be aware that Maoris work on the bit by bit principal. You get a bit here and a bit there and then it adds up and then you can build on that etc etc. Eg they got us to give in to Maori being an official language (even tho it only has 400 words) Then they can say that they are allowed to speak Maori in Court and Parliament as it is an "official" language. Then they could say that all education should be given in Maori and English as Maori is an official language. And so on. Do you get my point ? New Zealand Sign Language is also an official language. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 787905 | 2009-07-03 00:27:00 | I don't like the idea of Maoris having guardian ship over the seabed. Because eventually it will come back to bite us. They will want to ban people from it or start charging etc. But then again I also don't like the idea of people such as the millionaire who owns half of Waiheke Island banning people from the beach there ! Be aware that Maoris work on the bit by bit principal. You get a bit here and a bit there and then it adds up and then you can build on that etc etc. Eg they got us to give in to Maori being an official language (even tho it only has 400 words) Then they can say that they are allowed to speak Maori in Court and Parliament as it is an "official" language. Then they could say that all education should be given in Maori and English as Maori is an official language. And so on. Do you get my point ? I believe there has been some unpleasantness in various parts of Taupo re access to lake. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 787906 | 2009-07-03 01:46:00 | I don't like the idea of Maoris having guardian ship over the seabed. Because eventually it will come back to bite us. They will want to ban people from it or start charging etc. But then again I also don't like the idea of people such as the millionaire who owns half of Waiheke Island banning people from the beach there ! Be aware that Maoris work on the bit by bit principal. You get a bit here and a bit there and then it adds up and then you can build on that etc etc. Eg they got us to give in to Maori being an official language (even tho it only has 400 words) Then they can say that they are allowed to speak Maori in Court and Parliament as it is an "official" language. Then they could say that all education should be given in Maori and English as Maori is an official language. And so on. Do you get my point ? It was a 55,56,57,58......automobile...LOL! You are so right about that! Nobody notices the little bits! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 787907 | 2009-07-03 02:21:00 | The maoris were here first before the poms occupied the place, that must give them customary rights. I dont have a problem with the maoris owning the seabed and foreshore as long as I can go down to the coast anywhere and dive for seafood. Take that right away and it will be a civil war, maoris versus Anglos, a war that the maoris will lose big time. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 787908 | 2009-07-03 02:35:00 | The maoris were here first before the poms occupied the place, that must give them customary rights. I dont have a problem with the maoris owning the seabed and foreshore as long as I can go down to the coast anywhere and dive for seafood. Take that right away and it will be a civil war, maoris versus Anglos, a war that the maoris will lose big time. Or how about the fact that the British came here, civilized the place and brought it from an island of waring tribes to it's current state. Universities, hospitals, roads, factories, hotels, electricity - nearly every thing we take for granted today is a direct result of the British settlement in NZ. And in exchange for what? Loss of living in huts/shacks, eating only what you can kill or find growing in the bush, waring with other tribes and un-restricted seabed/forshore access :P Be aware that Maoris work on the bit by bit principal. You get a bit here and a bit there and then it adds up and then you can build on that etc etc. Eg they got us to give in to Maori being an official language (even tho it only has 400 words) Then they can say that they are allowed to speak Maori in Court and Parliament as it is an "official" language. Then they could say that all education should be given in Maori and English as Maori is an official language. Considering the Maori didn't even have a government system like what is currently in place or schools - how could this ever even be considered? These are direct results of British civilization therefore the Maori can either participate in them as their 'owners' have created them - or bugger off. Just take a look at any other recently 'discovered' lands/tribes around the world - they have nothing in comparison to this - they are still living in the stone ages and so would the Maori if they didn't kill/eat themselves into extinction. Give them their stupid land back, and their seabeds and forshores - and in exchange we remove our KFC/MacDonalds/hospitals/etc - I would like to see how things pan out then. |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 787909 | 2009-07-03 03:04:00 | How do you know the maori language only has 400 words Digby?? Can you speak it / understand it?? If you dont then you dont know that do you. The point is, the paheka got greedy (with you may as well say everything), they said this and that, did something completely different. And the maoris didnt know what the hell they were talking about. Now theyre getting what they deserve (ie: The maoris (their land and money), and the paheka (paying compensation for being greedy). |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 787910 | 2009-07-03 03:25:00 | Oh how I wish I had a copy of the real treaty of Waitangi. :angry | wratterus (105) | ||
| 787911 | 2009-07-03 03:28:00 | Oh how I wish I had a copy of the real treaty of Waitangi. :angry archives.govt.nz |
somebody (208) | ||
| 787912 | 2009-07-03 04:58:00 | What gets me is that in at least one settlement (can't remember which one, sorry), Maori were given the deed to the land (quite a bit I think), but DoC still had to look after the place. So they want the land, but not the costs/responsibility for looking after it? pfft, just looks like one massive land/money grab to me. | ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 787913 | 2009-07-03 05:00:00 | The maoris were here first before the poms occupied the place, that must give them customary rights. I dont have a problem with the maoris owning the seabed and foreshore as long as I can go down to the coast anywhere and dive for seafood. Take that right away and it will be a civil war, maoris versus Anglos, a war that the maoris will lose big time. I understood the Maori took the land off the Mori-ori's or whatever they were.... If the Maori of 1800's werent too worried about owning the seabed etc, why the fark should todays Maori?.....Greed my boy!'Its just another excuse for a hand-out if you ask me!, Christ, they have enough rights as it is with regards to fishing quotas etc....if they get seabed etc, they will then be going for the fishery rights etc around NZ..... |
SolMiester (139) | ||
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