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Thread ID: 146301	2018-06-24 01:46:00	My new PC Build - everything seems archaic	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1450922	2018-06-24 01:46:00	As some of you may know I am building a new PC This is my first time for about 5 years. I am very pleased with my Coolermaster MC500P case - with top handles (and bottom feet) and good cable management area But assembling the whole system made me remember all the things I used to hate. (This will apply to most cases, and motherboards etc) Eg Aligning the motherboard and starting the screws to the case, seems hard and requires quite a bit of lateral force. The screw holes on my EVGA power supply don't really seem like real sold holes. The molex plugs that give power to my fans are huge (by todays standard) and are very hard to push on and even harder to pull off. (They used to use Molex plugs to power hard drives, now they have those nice small plugs that look like a Sata plug) The power supply cable to the motherboard and CPU require quite a bit of force to connect them and I am always scared of breaking my mother board. Getting them off is also hard. The mounting plates for the SSD drives hide the drive (dur) and on my case at least are in a position that makes it very hard to fit the Sata and Power supply cables. And don't get me started on the Power, Reset, and HD light cables. They are so tiny, The motherboard manual for this topic are always printed in a size 5 font in the lightest print they can use. The pins for them on my motherboard (Gigabtye) are very hard to get at. Why cant they invent a nice one piece plug that holds all of these cables in one. What do you think?	Digby (677)
1450923	2018-06-24 08:10:00	Eg Aligning the motherboard and starting the screws to the case, seems hard and requires quite a bit of lateral force. The screw holes on my EVGA power supply don't really seem like real sold holes. The molex plugs that give power to my fans are huge (by todays standard) and are very hard to push on and even harder to pull off. The power supply cable to the motherboard and CPU require quite a bit of force to connect them and I am always scared of breaking my mother board. And don't get me started on the Power, Reset, and HD light cables. They are so tiny, The motherboard manual for this topic are always printed in a size 5 font in the lightest print they can use. Nope. Never found that hard at all. Force??? worrying.... Screw holes, are you sure you used the screw holes, there are also holes in the case that a part of the vent holes....can get them mixed up.... Molex, well, why? Aren't you using the sata power connectors now? The reset, pwr etc, always been small. It's in the motherboard book, you don't actually have to try to read them off the board, just look in the book, tells you which is leftmost, next, right etc etc. That's a long sighted issue. I have not got that, very short sighted instead, still waiting for the supposed LS to kick in...but it hasn't. But as I said, use the book instead. I have seen some cases where those connectors are in a block not separate fiddly bits.	piroska (17583)
1450924	2018-06-24 09:38:00	A few motherboards come with a removable connector you plug all the switches and lights into and then plug back into the main board, it makes the whole job so much easier and probably costs them a few cents. All boards should have it. I hate Molex connectors and agree the 24 pin plug often requires a bit more force than seems reasonable. I enjoy building PCs though and you get used to these problems. As for the motherboard screws needing lateral force, most cases don't have that issue but I have come across it in the past. Generally I can get the motherboard to sit in place without much or any force while I put the screws in. Here's my favourite build tip for today, if you don't have a magnetic screwdriver a tiny bead of blu tack will hold the screw quite firmly to the end of the screwdriver and make getting the more awkward screws in a whole lot easier.	dugimodo (138)
1450925	2018-06-24 20:28:00	are you sure you used the screw holes, there are also holes in the case that a part of the vent holes.... bahahaha...that's the sort of dumb **** I'd do - I'll buy mine ready-made.	allblack (6574)
1450926	2018-06-24 21:54:00	bahahaha...that's the sort of dumb **** I'd do . It's not so dumb....I have seen some cases where it's not exactly clear, done it myself, put screws in and thought hang on, er...and taken them back out. Not most cases, not all, but a few...hard to explain without a pic of one....	piroska (17583)
1450927	2018-06-24 22:43:00	It seems that the cheap generic cases are a dream to work on , the expensive flash cases are just badly designed . More concerned with how they look on the outside . The very expensive cases must be designed by the marketing dept . Despite being huge in size they have stupid basic design faults . Its as if the designers never assembled a PC . having to remove the CPU heatsink to get the PSU out , HD's that sit end up far to close to the side of case, so that HD cables are hard up against the side of the case putting lots of strain on them 'screwless' POS plastic that is harder to use than a screwdriver . Gaming cases that wont fit the large gaming Vid cards . :badpc: Ive never understood the need for screwless case design. . If you dont own a screwdriver you shouldnt be assembling a PC . You have to screw in the MB anyway, so why not screw in HD's & vid cards ? quote : Eg Aligning the motherboard and starting the screws to the case, seems hard and requires quite a bit of lateral force. sounds like either the holes werent tapped out, or the wrong size screw . Some motherboard standsoffs use the smaller PC screws .	1101 (13337)
1450928	2018-06-24 22:53:00	Aligning the motherboard and starting the screws to the case, seems hard and requires quite a bit of lateral force. There should be very little force required for this. Once you have checked where your case standoffs go by lining up the holes on your motherboard, it should screw in with minimal force - other than to hold the m/b in place for the first screw. The molex plugs that give power to my fans are huge (by todays standard) and are very hard to push on and even harder to pull off. Yep,the old molex plugs are a pig. The newer, small plugs are much easier to deal with. The power supply cable to the motherboard and CPU require quite a bit of force to connect them and I am always scared of breaking my mother board. Provided you've got them the right way around, there shouldn't be that much force required to plug them in. And don't get me started on the Power, Reset, and HD light cables. They are so tiny, The motherboard manual for this topic are always printed in a size 5 font in the lightest print they can use. The pins for them on my motherboard (Gigabtye) are very hard to get at. Why cant they invent a nice one piece plug that holds all of these cables in one. My new Gigabyte motherboard came with such a plug - you connect all your case cables to this and then plug it into the motherboard. It made things so much simpler and better yet, all the lights worked first time! :D	autechre (266)
1450929	2018-06-24 23:00:00	My interpretation of lateral force was the motherboard had to be pushed sideways to line up the holes, which I have experienced in some cases but not others. Could be the back plate isn't fitted properly or the motherboard has snagged one of the little metal tags , those things seem to exist mainly to get in the way. (they are for ESD/RF screening supposedly). But some cases seem to be a little close and make you use some force. On a recent rebuild I couldn't plug the HDMI cable in because one of those tabs had bent across the port, I just bent it out of the way rather than pull the board back out though.	dugimodo (138)
1450930	2018-06-27 19:20:00	Yeah, a frustration with my current (oldish) ASUS mobo is the SATA HDD connectors are placed in line with the slot for the graphics card, so a longish card ends up causing difficulties. Really stupid design. The HDD mountings crowd over the CPU and obstruct the airflow (which would otherwise have the potential for a decent size cooler (and allow OC options)... and this is in a biggish tower case, not a pokey desktop. As for the stamped out metal that makes up the frame... razor sharp edges that I've cut myself on so many times... not really a good idea in an area littered with electric cables and tight corners where users must shove their fingers. Then there's the reset switch, which is so shoddy that it can twist and jamb in its surroundings, necessitating multiple fiddles with the switch to get it to pop out into an On position. Thank goodness for micro architecture - imagine all this nonsense if the whole thing was wired up in a macro sense.	Paul.Cov (425)
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