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| Thread ID: 146337 | 2018-07-07 06:40:00 | I'm Sorry ... | B.M. (505) | PC World Chat |
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| 1451301 | 2018-07-12 06:01:00 | I'm reminded about the financial market collapse in the 80's. Remember the images we were bombarded with of the money market "experts" panicking and shouting "sell!" at every opportunity? These "experts" barely out of school at worst, or undergraduates at best, causing untold damage and heartache particularly to mum and dad investors, some of whom lost small fortunes? All because these "experts" were emulating the chaotic scenes of the NYSE and others - because they didn't have the experience to realise what they were copying really didn't have too much application here and we were by and large insulated from the causes. But of course, then our news media dutifully followed the flock, feeding the frenzy ... Wal, do you remember the BNZ Add on television depicting a room full of computers and guys who were described as “The Smart Young Men in our Money Room”. I remember thinking every time I saw the Add, “What about the Smart Old Men in the other Money Rooms”? As most of us know the BNZ guys got cleaned out and the BNZ was broke and sold to the Australians, (Incidentally, by Sir Michael Fay’s company, for which he was given a Knighthood.) :D I won’t go into the “Fiddle” that became the “Winebox Inquiry”. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1451302 | 2018-07-12 06:18:00 | Incidentally I quite agree with you about those pictures of cooling towers. They're rather silly and quite irrelevant. Another from their Site. 8933 |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1451303 | 2018-07-12 07:27:00 | I was talking to a younger Green friend who was concerned about the images of ice floes calving we've been seeing recently. I took a certain amount of pleasure in giving him a science lesson about how melting ice does not affect the volume of the liquid it is floating in... That is very true for the Arctic where all the ice is floating - it does not always apply in Antarctica where some of the ice which is sitting on solid land. |
decibel (11645) | ||
| 1451304 | 2018-07-12 08:12:00 | That is very true for the Arctic where all the ice is floating - it does not always apply in Antarctica where some of the ice which is sitting on solid land. Serious stuff alright. 8934 |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1451305 | 2018-07-12 22:03:00 | Serious stuff alright. 8934 www.ecowatch.com May as well quote the rest of the article while you are at it mate, selective information gleaning and taking single sentences out of context is a really clever thing to do, doesn't distort facts at all. At the current rate of melting, the ice sheet adds 1 millimeter a year to the global average sea level. Using these numbers, the UN Climate Change panel reported in 2013 that, worst case scenario, Greenland's melting ice sheets would raise water levels 98 centimeters, or 3.2 feet, by the end of the century. Keeping in mind that Greenland ice isn't the only ice around the world that is melting. Also worth thinking about the fact it isn't just the melted ice that is the problem: In general, the white color of snow reflects nearly 90 percent of the sun's radiation, but the dark colored algae reflects only around 35 percent, and sometimes drops to a dangerous 1 percent in the darkest colored spots. Sure it might not happen in your life time, but given current data and statistics it is on a path that only a ignorant person would argue isn't exactly great. |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1451306 | 2018-07-13 03:07:00 | www.ecowatch.com May as well quote the rest of the article while you are at it mate, selective information gleaning and taking single sentences out of context is a really clever thing to do, doesn't distort facts at all. At the current rate of melting, the ice sheet adds 1 millimeter a year to the global average sea level. Using these numbers, the UN Climate Change panel reported in 2013 that, worst case scenario, Greenland's melting ice sheets would raise water levels 98 centimeters, or 3.2 feet, by the end of the century. Thank you Bozo for bringing my attention to a missing part to the article I posted. I can assure you that it was the complete article in my possession I posted, so guess it was another example of incomplete Copy & Paste between different media. Anyway, the addition you have brought my attention to has me completely bamboozled. So maybe you would be good enough to explain how it is that if the melting ice in Greenland is raising average sea levels 1mm per year that equates to 98 centimetres, (980 millimetres) in 87 years (the end of the century given the forecast was done in 2013 by the look of it)? In other words how does 1 x 87 = 980? Is this more Green Mathematics? |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1451307 | 2018-07-13 04:01:00 | In other words how does 1 x 87 = 980? Is this more Green Mathematics? It's literally the 2nd sentence in the article: As the ice melts, it gives way to water, which is darker and absorbs far more sunlight, causing more ice to melt in a vicious cycling. I'm not here in an attempt to change your mind on the matter, you seem pretty adamant that your sources are more correct than popular scientific and statistical evidence (but hey, 'scientists' [if you want to call them that] once thought the earth was flat). It does pay to fact check and read articles in their full. Taking single sentences applied in what is essentially a meme format as an argument and proof that it's nothing to worry about is ludicrous. |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1451308 | 2018-07-13 04:52:00 | Thankfully, the ocean floor has been sinking for a while. Time to move to the 4th floor of an apartment, buy a hothouse to grow the hops, and buy a homebrew kit. | the_bogan (9949) | ||
| 1451309 | 2018-07-13 05:38:00 | It's literally the 2nd sentence in the article: As the ice melts, it gives way to water, which is darker and absorbs far more sunlight, causing more ice to melt in a vicious cycling . Well actually I don’t want to know about the colour of the Ice or Water . I want to know how, when the ice is melting at a rate causing the oceans to rise 1mm a year, it is going to rise 980mm by the turn of the Century . I just want to see the mathematical workings on how such an answer is arrived at . Personally, I think it is along these lines which is from the Climategate E-Mails . 8938 |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1451310 | 2018-07-16 02:01:00 | I want to know how, when the ice is melting at a rate causing the oceans to rise 1mm a year, it is going to rise 980mm by the turn of the Century . I just want to see the mathematical workings on how such an answer is arrived at . If you go back to the original article, you will note that in various places throughout there is text that is a different colour indicating that it is a hyperlink ( . wikipedia . org/wiki/Hyperlink" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org) - just like this word just here . See here: 8940 Here are the studies and the data with all the mathematical calculations you want: . sciencemag . org/content/3/6/e1700584 . full" target="_blank">advances . sciencemag . org . ipcc . ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter04_FINAL . pdf" target="_blank">www . ipcc . ch . sciencemag . org/content/3/6/e1700584" target="_blank">advances . sciencemag . org These studies are not to prove that we can stop 'climate change' but it is a study on the declining ice around the world - no one can deny that ice is declining currently and has been for the past couple of decades . Why is the ice melt accelerating, what will happen when more ice melts, can we do anything to slow the melting ice are some of the questions studies like these are trying to provide answers for . Neither you or I are scientists in this field, so all we can do is read their studies, observe the data, and understand why they arrived at the conclusions they have . Sure we can disagree, but we can't just disagree because we 'think' it's stupid or a 'con', if one is to refute a scientific finding surely one must provide evidence/studies which show otherwise? |
Bozo (8540) | ||
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