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Thread ID: 101647	2009-07-22 00:24:00	Weatherston GUILTY	nofam (9009)	PC World Chat

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793910	2009-07-23 01:39:00	I have read the speech, particularly #42 I find interesting. She does NOT know of it's practicality and feasibility, while she is in no uncertain terms asking us to consider it. Is it not her job to know this?	Cato (6936)
793911	2009-07-23 01:47:00	Doesn't seem to make a difference... The difference made is these people aren't out wrecking havoc on their communities, after all its only by years of criminal behaviour do they get locked up in the first place.And when they get out if they continue to prey on the community then they go back to jail, The best place for them to be, without giving a damn about how it affects them personally. Who cares what the criminals think?, not me, not before they commited their acts, and certainly not after. Its about the good of the community, not the scum who prey on them.	Metla (12)
793912	2009-07-23 02:02:00	I think the 100k figure was grabbed out of the air by the libs. The CJ actually said nearly $100,000 and referenced page 9 of Corrections briefing to the new Minister. The actual figure is $90,746. www.corrections.govt.nz	PaulD (232)
793913	2009-07-23 02:03:00	So you know someone that did community service. How have they behaved since? Since? God bless the naive among us. Community service is a great place to buy and sell drugs, pick up hot gear, get to know some scum, decide who needs the bash, network a few parties and plan a way to get some cash, by stealing something. Just hope they weren't cleaning up litter in an area that had a clear view into your shed, they probably already picked out what they wanted. The people with the mentality to do these crimes dont give a **** about community service.	Metla (12)
793914	2009-07-23 02:17:00	well, I have read the speech, They done very well to use many many words to say next to nothing.As usual its an exorcise in inserting as many grey areas as possible to cloud the issue. The last couple of paragraphs is all that really needed to be said.Criminals are bred, big surprise. Anyway, My conclusions. -Build more prisons -Lock the parents up -Ship our entire Maori population to Australia -Buy a printer that prints on toilet paper -Print this speech onto the toilet paper -retreat to the toilet, Lay down a nugget or three -Use speech to wipe away any residual mess.	Metla (12)
793915	2009-07-23 02:21:00	There really isn't that much of a difference in policies of either party, to be perfectly honest. The justice system has fail, and when the chief justice starts recommending amnesty for the prisoners because of overcrowding, when the prison population is being released at a crazy rate for parole and good behavior. Just look around, I have known more than one person who got community service instead of hard time. Prevention is great, but the fact of the matter remains, what better way of prevention than the threat of hard time in a hostile environment? You can't say, if we are nice to them, they won't do bad things. You have to say if you do bad things, bad things will happen will happen to you. Very bad things. Neither Sky TV, nor a nice fancy gym, basketball cortm nor work to release programmes offering prisoners for bugger all while the rest of us are losing jobs left right and center. These guys are there for BAD things they have done at OUR expense. They go in to serve time, and their time in there sounds much better than many free people. And now a VERY high ranking government official, says we should offer alot of these people amnesty. What happens when these guys get out and rape, kill, and steal from you or members of your family and friends, where will your liberal chief justice be? I think it's time to call on her resignation. Edit: Maybe it wasn't the labour government that destroyed the justice system, maybe it was the CJ? Hmmmm. Prevention is better than cure in my opinion but what does the New Zealand society use for this? Even a death penalty will not deter some people from killing another. Some people think that we should use a means of determent in the way of sentences but determent does not work for all people does it? A $150.00 fine for not wearing a seat belt is not a determent for some. Should we put the fine up to $5,000? Would that cure the problem? Also may I ask why the Chief Justice ( in your opinion ) should not have an opinion of her own? You have an opinion which you published here. Why should the Chief Justice resign? The word "Justice" would imply, to me, fairness and equity for all under New Zealand law. The word "fair" may as well be abolished as that word is more or less a dream and not probably enforceable in any respect whatever. The justice system in my opinion takes far too long to get people to trial and delayed justice is justice denied. Witnesses over time have changed the story due to outside events. People make false complaints of rape and people are just people. I do wonder when the last case of perjury was laid. Telling lies in a court should be, and is, an offence. I agree that the system has major problems BTW.	Sweep (90)
793916	2009-07-23 02:26:00	Some people think that we should use a means of deterrent in the way of sentences but deterrent does not work for all people does it? A $150 . 00 fine for not wearing a seat belt is not a deterrent for some . Should we put the fine up to $5,000? Would that cure the problem? . Fines of $150 for failing to wear a seatbelt has been a fantastic success, The problem is as cured as it is ever going to be . $5000 fines would also have worked .	Metla (12)
793917	2009-07-23 05:55:00	It looks like even prisoners are disgusted at Weatherston's actions, and are wanting him dead: www.stuff.co.nz	somebody (208)
793918	2009-07-23 06:05:00	And reporters will repeat any rubbish they are told. They may will kill him, In fact I'd expect it, But no one is going to front up any money. repeating prison rumours, what a nub.	Metla (12)
793919	2009-07-23 10:44:00	Hmmmm . Prevention is better than cure in my opinion but what does the New Zealand society use for this? Even a death penalty will not deter some people from killing another . Some people think that we should use a means of determent in the way of sentences but determent does not work for all people does it? A $150 . 00 fine for not wearing a seat belt is not a determent for some . Should we put the fine up to $5,000? Would that cure the problem? Seatbelts have been a great success . Also may I ask why the Chief Justice ( in your opinion ) should not have an opinion of her own? You have an opinion which you published here . Yes, she has a right to her opinion . What she does not have right of is making baseless suggestions, being in the position that she is, she has said she does not know if it is "feasible" . That almost like Bush saying "We should invade Iraq, but I don't know if they hvae WMDs" . If she does not know, she should not say . Why should the Chief Justice resign? The word "Justice" would imply, to me, fairness and equity for all under New Zealand law . The word "fair" may as well be abolished as that word is more or less a dream and not probably enforceable in any respect whatever . As above . She has been CJ for a long time, and her comments are all aimed at prevention rather than dealing with the problems we do have . She has asked that we consider amnesty . Amnesty is not justice, it is absolution - a pardon . How is that in any way justice? Is a pardon fair, simply because it is cheaper? Regardless, we already have something called parole, and her suggestions would be to undercut the already dammaged parole system . The word "Justice" would imply, to me, fairness and equity for all under New Zealand law . The word "fair" may as well be abolished as that word is more or less a dream and not probably enforceable in any respect whatever . The justice system in my opinion takes far too long to get people to trial and delayed justice is justice denied . Witnesses over time have changed the story due to outside events . People make false complaints of rape and people are just people . I do wonder when the last case of perjury was laid . Telling lies in a court should be, and is, an offence . I agree that the system has major problems BTW . I agree with you on all that . Delayed justice is justice denied . Very well said . My overall problem is that we are trying to be too PC and too cheap when it comes to such matters . And I want to know, than should I be killed by a P maniac on a rampage, he will get what he deserves, and will not be allowed to do this again . I have no faith that this man will be punished even remotely to the extend he punished the girl . Nothing will bring her back - yes I understand . But if this guy is out in ~5 years, then this will be all but a farce and a waste of money . Edit: Give it a few months, people will forget about this . And then it won't matter . I wonder, what ever happened to NZ's youngest murderer, Kurariki? He breached parole time and time again, and what's happened? Nothing much, he still walks the streets . Probably smoking some P, being gangsta and all . But then again that's our fault for sending him to prison right? Maybe we should have just forgiven him? Edit: If Weatherston does get a hefty sentence, it will be only because of the media coverage, nothing else .	Cato (6936)
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