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Thread ID: 101647	2009-07-22 00:24:00	Weatherston GUILTY	nofam (9009)	PC World Chat

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793890	2009-07-22 22:53:00	What a shame some people have to resort to name calling rather than trying to put forward any reasonable argument. The use of pejoratives gets you only ridicule.	Richard (739)
793891	2009-07-22 23:04:00	I suppose calling Clayton a creep is a bit over of the top Sorry.	prefect (6291)
793892	2009-07-22 23:10:00	I think an amnesty may have merit if the crooks can pass the following test. Swim from Disapointment island to the main Auckland Island. Any survivors can go free. I think the success rate would be along the same lines as Alcatraz and San Francisco mainland. I'm sure a few P fueled mainacs will manage it. :p	Cato (6936)
793893	2009-07-22 23:12:00	You can debate an amnesty for prisoners until the cows come home, I'll give it the respect such a suggestion deserves and ridicule it. And if that means pushing liberal thinking to the thin edge of the wedge so be it, You and people like you are the ones that want predators released back into the community due to some bizarre notion that attacking the community is better then stewing in a cell. It is you who has suggested what liberals want. It isn't even a straw man argument - it's pure imagination. You aren't pushing liberal thinking to the thin edge of the wedge - you're simply failing to engage in a debate. Perhaps you think that reiterating your own ideas is debate? It isn't. No liberal I know of including myself has suggested amnesty for prisoners. As for releasing them into the community - and having release dates at all for prisoners in this country - that is far from a liberal idea. There is little difference between what National or Labour governments have legislated on in this respect over the last fifty years. Or perhaps you think the National Party is liberal too?	Deane F (8204)
793894	2009-07-22 23:19:00	It is you who has suggested what liberals want. It isn't even a straw man argument - it's pure imagination. You aren't pushing liberal thinking to the thin edge of the wedge - you're simply failing to engage in a debate. Perhaps you think that reiterating your own ideas is debate? It isn't. PPfffttt, I was mocking the call for a prisoner amnesty, Though I have already pointed that out. Don't care about any debate or being part of it, The subject isn't worthy of one.	Metla (12)
793895	2009-07-22 23:30:00	It is you who has suggested what liberals want. It isn't even a straw man argument - it's pure imagination. You aren't pushing liberal thinking to the thin edge of the wedge - you're simply failing to engage in a debate. Perhaps you think that reiterating your own ideas is debate? It isn't. No liberal I know of including myself has suggested amnesty for prisoners. As for releasing them into the community - and having release dates at all for prisoners in this country - that is far from a liberal idea. There is little difference between what National or Labour governments have legislated on in this respect over the last fifty years. Or perhaps you think the National Party is liberal too? There really isn't that much of a difference in policies of either party, to be perfectly honest. The justice system has fail, and when the chief justice starts recommending amnesty for the prisoners because of overcrowding, when the prison population is being released at a crazy rate for parole and good behavior. Just look around, I have known more than one person who got community service instead of hard time. Prevention is great, but the fact of the matter remains, what better way of prevention than the threat of hard time in a hostile environment? You can't say, if we are nice to them, they won't do bad things. You have to say if you do bad things, bad things will happen will happen to you. Very bad things. Neither Sky TV, nor a nice fancy gym, basketball cortm nor work to release programmes offering prisoners for bugger all while the rest of us are losing jobs left right and center. These guys are there for BAD things they have done at OUR expense. They go in to serve time, and their time in there sounds much better than many free people. And now a VERY high ranking government official, says we should offer alot of these people amnesty. What happens when these guys get out and rape, kill, and steal from you or members of your family and friends, where will your liberal chief justice be? I think it's time to call on her resignation. Edit: Maybe it wasn't the labour government that destroyed the justice system, maybe it was the CJ?	Cato (6936)
793896	2009-07-22 23:31:00	Can't we save that part of the debate until we actually see what sort of sentence he gets? Just sayin'.......	Peterj116 (6762)
793897	2009-07-22 23:34:00	Maybe she is intellectually, morally and emotionally capable of more circumspection than is to be found on internet forums...? People have different ways to react to these things. Respect that. Just because some wants Clayton dead/sent to an Asian prison does not make them any less intellectual or morally and emotionally stable than you or her. the prison population is increasing which by the way is a good thing. It's not a good thing if they're being treated like they are in a bloody 3-star hotel. Well, apart from the whole lack-of-freedom thing. But the reoffending rate tells you that life in prison is sweet enough for a criminal to do **** again.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
793898	2009-07-22 23:34:00	Can't we save that part of the debate until we actually see what sort of sentence he gets? Just sayin'....... I guess so, but, now I am not clear on this... He has been in custody since this happened, correct? So over a year, and it will be another month or two till sentencing. So nearly two years will be cut from his sentence for this? Can someone confirm?	Cato (6936)
793899	2009-07-22 23:36:00	T I think it's time to call on her resignation. I agree, and good post.	Metla (12)
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