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| Thread ID: 101647 | 2009-07-22 00:24:00 | Weatherston GUILTY | nofam (9009) | PC World Chat |
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| 793930 | 2009-07-23 22:41:00 | The other side of the coin is to take the stance that criminals are the product of our failure as a society (ie the criminal is the victim) and that we are responsible as a group for their behaviour (the criminal act is just the end result of our failure). So rather then punish the offender we should put every resource into assimilating him into society, apparently this care and attention will be rewarded by a cessation to law breaking, and if not, well, they weren't to blame anyway,we are,so lets just accept that our chickens are coming home to roost. Crazy crazy dribble. It's not crazy dribble at all - the rights that we enjoy as members of society do not exist in isolation; they are all paired with responsibilities and duties. While this means that criminals who fail to observe their responsibilities lose some of their rights as a result; it also means that society as a whole (and society is composed of many individuals acting collectively) cannot avoid responsibility for its outcomes - even when the outcomes are bad. If society has laws that reflect its abhorrence of certain actions - how can it justifiably act in the same way in response to an individual member's actions without losing its moral mandate? Any individual member of society who enjoys the benefits of living in a collective must accept some measure of responsibility for the costs of living in that collective. Part of the cost of any collective - and most especially a free, democratic and stable collective - is the existence of subversive elements including criminal elements. You will notice Deane often refers to the fact that no society has ever eradicated crime, As if in some bizarre way this supports his argument. The bizarre thing about your own arguments is that you don't address the fact taking them out the back and shooting them or denying them fair trial or brutalising them in some other way is itself the very same type of behaviour that you are saying you find abhorrent in the criminal. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 793931 | 2009-07-23 22:57:00 | Now there is another failure . While I agree, this man should pay for his crimes - I don't oppose the death sentence . What we are talking about here is a totally different thing . We are talking about not an execution, but an assassination . The fact the prison guards SAY cannot protect him, is without doubt unjustifyable . And not to mention this is the bottom of unprofessionalism on the part of Beven Hanlon . And reflects on every prison in the country . They cannot protect inmates, they can't stop inmates escaping, running drug rings from within the confines of prison cells, so what exactly is up with this? Someone is once again not doing their job . Justice is not something to be taken lightly, nor is life . He has done this, yes, but it does not excuse anyone else doing it to him . We may not agree with the court system, but this another thing entirely . The problem being that the time allotted by the judiciary for a criminal to spend in jail is not enough for him to respect it . And, anecdotally, many criminals seem to prefer living in jail anyway - less temptations, three meals a day, laundry done for you, nice warm bed, 'girlfriend' in the next cell . . . Totally agree . Prison is not supposed to be a walk in the park . And as I have said before, it's a 3 star hotel compared to what most of us have to live with . |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 793932 | 2009-07-23 22:59:00 | Kuariki = poster boy for the death penalty. What a worthless piece of trash - and a total waste of untold thousands of taxpayer dollars. Does anyone seriously think that he'll become a contributing member of society? What's so special about him apart from the fact that he was the youngest involved in the assault that led to the death of Michael Choy? How much time has the press given to the other five including the 2 actually convicted of murder? |
PaulD (232) | ||
| 793933 | 2009-07-23 23:26:00 | The continual bad bahaviour and bad attitude. Nothing to do with age...... |
Peterj116 (6762) | ||
| 793934 | 2009-07-24 00:04:00 | The bizarre thing about your own arguments is that you don't address the fact taking them out the back and shooting them or denying them fair trial or brutalising them in some other way is itself the very same type of behaviour that you are saying you find abhorrent in the criminal. No way, its saying "stop breaking the law arshole!!!" Oh and "we dont have to worry about you doing that anymore." |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 793935 | 2009-07-24 00:30:00 | The days of the liberals causing carnage to the community in NZ finished in November 2008. They now need to shut the **** up and let real people do whats necessary to crooks to keep them out of circulation. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 793936 | 2009-07-24 02:29:00 | Part of the cost of any collective - and most especially a free, democratic and stable collective - is the existence of subversive elements including criminal elements. Hell no. The cost of being part of that collective is abiding by the rules of that collective, and refusal to do so warrants the lose of the right to be part of that collective. We dont have to accept people preying on the community just because people like yourself think we should. The way to stop this crap happening is for the community to put a stop to it, Don't allow the scum to hide amongst us. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 793937 | 2009-07-24 02:44:00 | Which leads on to the idea of weeding out at birth or before birth....find the criminal gene... "This has uncomfortable overtones of eugenics, the pseudo-science which held that mankind could be improved by breeding out the bad, and which the Nazis took a step further by their policy of exterminating the Untermenschen. Even if it stopped there, the idea of the "criminal gene" would be controversial enough, but it does not, for modern science opens up new and different possibilities. If there are genes conferring on certain people a genetic predisposition to crime, could they and their carriers be identified, perhaps as early as the womb? What should happen to those embryos? Moreover, if someone is born with a criminal mind, what else should be done with them other than to lock them away for as long as possible?" www.independent.co.uk |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 793938 | 2009-07-24 02:51:00 | It doesn't lead me there....As far as I'm concerned most of it is a learned behaviour. Punishment Vs Treatment, The outcome is the same, The person will stop when they tire of the lifestyle. And If we are going to be spending money on people I'd rather see it go towards those in need, rather then the criminal element. Build more prisons, Lock them away for the full sentance they earned themselves, They get another chance when their time is up. We just need to build cheaper prisons to cut costs, Forget this crap about 1 man 1 cell, put twenty of them in there. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 793939 | 2009-07-24 03:35:00 | . . . . The person will stop when they tire of the lifestyle . Finally . . . someone who gets it . Why do you think Kurariki et al keep going back? Because it's home - it's all they know . Their "friends" and "role models" are there . Make prison a place where they wouldn't want to go back to, and maybe they'll do what they can to stay out of trouble . As it is, they get all the creature comforts of home, an in-house P lab (by the sounds) plus underfloor heating . Make the place that attractive & what's the incentive avoid the place? |
Peterj116 (6762) | ||
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