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| Thread ID: 101983 | 2009-08-03 12:25:00 | Provocation | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 797682 | 2009-08-03 22:50:00 | Not much different to the previous Government either for that matter. You expected changes?? Didn't you know that National and Labour are the best 'alliance partners'? NZ voted National in the last election and expected changes from the govt. Yes, there are changes, lots of changes - new faces, new seating arrangements in the parliament, etc., but not POLICIES. |
bk T (215) | ||
| 797683 | 2009-08-03 23:25:00 | Oh dear, that's awful for you and your family. The judge must have thought the situation was more balanced than your son believed. Provocation is only a defence against murder. Not for other charges. And it isn't a defence exactly, what it does is reduce murder to manslaughter. Instead of provocation, the usual argument is self-defence.I believe it was this tact that the lawyer tried. I seem to have gotten provocation and self-defence mixed up. Anyway, judge wouldn't hear of it |
Myth (110) | ||
| 797684 | 2009-08-04 01:46:00 | I believe that under some circumstances any person may kill another person or person in the heat of the moment. Provocation is normally used to take out premeditation for example. If you hire a detective to spy on your wife and he comes up with enough evidence to lead you to believe she is having a bit on the side and you then come home and kill the pair of them it would appear that you probably planned the killing anyway. en.wikipedia.org I didnt say the pair of them just the man. In some countries killing the man is legal, so provocation should be a defence in crimes of passion. I reckon if you gave a a gun even to a wishy washy weak liberal in this situation they would use it. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 797685 | 2009-08-04 03:17:00 | I didnt say the pair of them just the man. In some countries killing the man is legal, so provocation should be a defence in crimes of passion. I reckon if you gave a a gun even to a wishy washy weak liberal in this situation they would use it. My thought is that if the Wife is a willing partner of the man then they should both get the same treatment. If the Wife is being raped then only the man should get the treatment. If you were there and gave me a gun it would still be my decision to use it or not. The Court would probably ask why YOU were carrying a gun and I could not answer that. But it would not be you charged with murder would it? Clayton Weatherstone carried a knife to where the body was found. He played up to the Court and he is a psychcopath in my view. I think he was getting off on all the media attention. He has had his moment of fame and hopefully the next I hear of that name will be his death notice. Another thought is that you seem to believe that everything is black or white and there are no shades of grey. Personally I do not like people who spit on the footpath as this may transmit a disease ( Tuberculosis ) which could kill a person but I would not go out of my way to stop the person doing it on a permanent basis. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 797686 | 2009-08-04 04:17:00 | Is superglue a lethal weapon? www.stuff.co.nz Rather than using a gun I might try this if ever faced with a situation.:clap |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 797687 | 2009-08-04 05:02:00 | I don't like the scrapping of this defence. In the right circumstances this defence is perfectly acceptable. What if you WERE defending yourself from a random attacker, then accidentally killed him? Or a female who finally snaps and kills her abusive partner? This is just another case of the government doing what will make them look good.....for the time being. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 797688 | 2009-08-04 05:04:00 | What if you WERE defending yourself from a random attacker, then accidentally killed him? That would be self defence - something already allowed for in the law. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 797689 | 2009-08-04 05:10:00 | That would be self defence - something already allowed for in the law. Ah. As for the whole infidelity thing instead of murdering some women may resort to this: www.stuff.co.nz |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 797690 | 2009-08-04 05:28:00 | Ok, here's a question. In the middle of the night I some guy smashing my car. What do I do? I come out with a cricket bat swinging. Enraged I end up beating the hell out of him, killing him. What happens then? Murder? --------------------------------------------- Someone spits in my face. And I punch him, he dies. Murder? Edit: Remember Bruce Emery? The guy who stabbed the tagger? Well, if they had taken away provication he would have been sentenced to murder. Would any of us here agree to that? |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 797691 | 2009-08-04 05:30:00 | Ok, here's a question. In the middle of the night I some guy smashing my car. What do I do? I come out with a cricket bat swinging. Enraged I end up beating the hell out of him, killing him. What happens then? Murder? --------------------------------------------- Someone spits in my face. And I punch him, he dies. Murder? I'm not a lawyer, but both of those sound like manslaughter, since your intention wasn't to kill them - merely to severely injure them. |
somebody (208) | ||
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