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Thread ID: 102146	2009-08-08 12:11:00	Telethon	Cheezels (14809)	PC World Chat

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799580	2009-08-09 06:22:00	Bolger and Jenny were principle free,so You can't call them true right. Leaving those out that can't help themselves,which we all would help,I am talking pro. poor and you can't tell me they are not that other than by choice. Anybody with half a brain can earn an honest living if they so desire,you and your ilk ( I mean that in the nicest possible way)keep these people in their place by saying to them,they are owed a living. I wouldn't go as far as that, that is, saying the poor are owed a living. It's a question of striking a balance between charity and big stick. In many respects though you are right. Just looking around shows that the population seems to be genetically breeding thickies in increasing numbers........ it's something to do with the Gaia effect. How some of these people who seem to have no idea can be educated though is a tough nut to crack. Chill is also right, as regards feeding a family. Though just look at the price of meat and dairy, it's rather obscene. This business of feeding kids sugary cereals gets to me. You can get a bag of Home Brand rolled oats for a couple of dollars or so, give them porridge, far more wholesome :) It has to be good, I have it every day :rolleyes: When we were poor, :banana ie raising a family on one apprentice wage, there were all sorts of cheap food dodges, like going down the market to buy cracked eggs, and get a big bag of cauliflower leaves for nothing, a weeks greens.	Terry Porritt (14)
799581	2009-08-09 06:28:00	I wouldn't go as far as that, that is, saying the poor are owed a living. It's a question of striking a balance between charity and big stick. In many respects though you are right. Just looking around shows that the population seems to be genetically breeding thickies in increasing numbers........ it's something to do with the Gaia effect. How some of these people who seem to have no idea can be educated though is a tough nut to crack. Chill is also right, as regards feeding a family. Though just look at the price of meat and dairy, it's rather obscene. This business of feeding kids sugary cereals gets to me. Keep trying Ter,you may end up being consistant. You don't need to educated to pump petrol,I know a chap who did that in Otaki and ended up owning garage. You can get a bag of Home Brand rolled oats for a couple of dollars or so, give them porridge, far more wholesome :) It has to be good, I have it every day :rolleyes: When we were poor, :banana ie raising a family on one apprentice wage, there were all sorts of cheap food dodges, like going down the market to buy cracked eggs, and get a big bag of cauliflower leaves for nothing, a weeks greens. Keep trying Ter,you may end up being consistant. You don't need to be educated to pump petrol,I know a chap who did that in Otaki and ended up owning garage.	Cicero (40)
799582	2009-08-09 06:50:00	How very un-Kiwi. Kiwis have always backed the underdog, because we are usually the underdog. Now when it comes to our own, some of us would rather put the boot in? What a sick society we have been reduced to if this what we have become. These children that go to school without breakfast, shoes or a raincoat didn't choose to be in that situation. And the parents who were recently made redundant didn't choose to be made redundant. And now we have a great bunch of people trying to make a difference and we have some very un-Kiwi people spouting their negativity......go pat yourselves on the back people, you really made a positive difference to those kids. Be ashamed. Be very ashamed. Dude, that's pretty BS. This isn't about people who have been made redundant and can't afford the basics of life- WINZ will step in there. This is about families who don't care about where their money goes or if their kids are brought up properly and have a decent upbringing. They will happily spend money on alcohol, drugs and cigarettes and fancy cars but not for stuff they need. So before you go on a sanctimonious rant about non-Kiwi's (whoops, too late for you I guess), think about it for a second and the fact that we already pay astronomical taxes to cover stuff like this. I bet none of those people work 40-60 hours a week doing 2 or more jobs to feed and house their families, they just want a handout for nothing all the time.	beeswax34 (63)
799583	2009-08-09 06:52:00	Keep trying Ter,you may end up being consistant. You don't need to be educated to pump petrol,I know a chap who did that in Otaki and ended up owning garage. Oh, it is difficult to be consistent in these matters, it's called "flexibility" a word beloved of the right when applied to the workforce of chattering masses :lol:	Terry Porritt (14)
799584	2009-08-09 07:12:00	Oh, it is difficult to be consistent in these matters, it's called "flexibility" a word beloved of the right when applied to the workforce of chattering masses :lol: The true right have a philosophy,ensuring consistency,foreign to you lefties.:)	Cicero (40)
799585	2009-08-09 07:25:00	It is often the people who most need the support, that never end up getting the charity money. My sentiments exactly! Pehaps people should be given the option to either work for dole, or the dole is a loan which they have to pay back. +1 for that idea!	Chilling_Silence (9)
799586	2009-08-09 07:32:00	We used to have a work for dole system, by Labour dropped it when they got it. Perhaps people should be given the option to either work for dole, or the dole is a loan which they have to pay back. The likes of Sue Bradford and Terry think it is undignified that people should be asked to work for the dole. From whence that idea comes is totally beyond this lad.	Cicero (40)
799587	2009-08-09 07:33:00	The total is now $1,944 557 and now it's finished there is still more to come good on you tv3 for bringing nz together.	Hitech (9024)
799588	2009-08-09 08:14:00	The likes of Sue Bradford and Terry think it is undignified that people should be asked to work for the dole. From whence that idea comes is totally beyond this lad. At first sight 'work for the dole' sounds good, and is satisfying for those who say the unemployed should get off their backsides, etc. But the scheme under National in the 90s was not very successful, and they suppressed a report before the election, which said it wasn't working as intended. www.beehive.govt.nz The big problem is finding proper work without taking away jobs from people already in work. Also a lot depends upon age, it's ok maybe for the young who would be on a low wage anyway, and such schemes could provide experience and work skills. To ask an adult to do a manual job like er, say drainlaying, when the employed bloke next to him doing the same job is getting paid 2 or 3 times more for the same work, would not be very edifying for the soul :illogical The PEP (Project Employment Programme) schemes under the Muldoon National government were said to be quite successful and a lot of good 'community' work was done, eg cutting and grading tracks in the Tararuas, and local reserves comes to mind among others. Our mutual friend Roger scrapped these schemes.	Terry Porritt (14)
799589	2009-08-09 08:45:00	To ask an adult to do a manual job like er, say drainlaying, when the employed bloke next to him doing the same job is getting paid 2 or 3 times more for the same work, would not be very edifying for the soul :illogical How does an adult working as a drainlayer who sees someone who is doing 0% of the work, and being paid 80% of their salary, feel?	somebody (208)
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