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Thread ID: 102146	2009-08-08 12:11:00	Telethon	Cheezels (14809)	PC World Chat

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799570	2009-08-09 02:52:00	I only have one dislike about this telethon and that is with the "Trillion Trust" who ran the fight for life promotions along with TV3.	plod (107)
799571	2009-08-09 03:08:00	A never ending hole,created by those that shouldn't be breading. Ah well, that's Rogernomics, and to boot, we have a whole generation now that has never know anything else. We are nearer now to Dickens time than Dickens was himself...:rolleyes: ""At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir." "Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge. "Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again. "And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?" "They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not." "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge. "Both very busy, sir." "Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it." .................................................. ......... "In spite of the repeal of the Poor Laws and supposed closure of the workhouses from c1929/1930 - they continued in use until the establishment of the Welfare State in c1948 by the Atlee Labour Government of 1945-1950." .................................................. ............ Ralph Wightman, BBC broadcaster and Dorset man who lived not far from us, said that farm hands getting on in age dreaded falling ill (usually crippled through arthritis) and not being able to work any more, as they would be thrown out of their tied cottages and would have to go into the workhouse. That was in my lifetime. It is really amazing that after all this time so many still depend upon charity.	Terry Porritt (14)
799572	2009-08-09 03:51:00	Ah well, that's Rogernomics, and to boot, we have a whole generation now that has never know anything else. We are nearer now to Dickens time than Dickens was himself...:rolleyes: ""At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir." "Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge. "Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again. "And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?" "They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not." "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge. "Both very busy, sir." "Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it." .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... ......... "In spite of the repeal of the Poor Laws and supposed closure of the workhouses from c1929/1930 - they continued in use until the establishment of the Welfare State in c1948 by the Atlee Labour Government of 1945-1950." .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .. Ralph Wightman, BBC broadcaster and Dorset man who lived not far from us, said that farm hands getting on in age dreaded falling ill (usually crippled through arthritis) and not being able to work any more, as they would be thrown out of their tied cottages and would have to go into the workhouse. That was in my lifetime. It is really amazing that after all this time so many still depend upon charity. You live in another world Ter,how you can blame Roger for the unproductive breading out of all proportion is beyond me.	Cicero (40)
799573	2009-08-09 04:06:00	You live in another world Ter,how you can blame Roger for the unproductive breading out of all proportion is beyond me. You might not be able to blame that failed pig farmer for that but there are plenty of other things you can blame him for.	mikebartnz (21)
799574	2009-08-09 04:36:00	Well, well. typical kiwi attitude & up-bringing. And something I am proud of. I invite you to back up your words with facts. You stated TVNZ presented an invoice for $3m after raising $6m in a previous Telethon. Either keep displaying your ignorance, or show us some facts.......	andrew93 (249)
799575	2009-08-09 04:57:00	You might not be able to blame that failed pig farmer for that but there are plenty of other things you can blame him for. I think we should try to keep this thread free of commo talk.	Cicero (40)
799576	2009-08-09 05:00:00	You live in another world Ter,how you can blame Roger for the unproductive breading out of all proportion is beyond me. Did I say that then ? No I didn't, not directly, but as has always been the case, the right blame the poor for being poor. You need to provide evidence for "the unproductive breading (sic) out of all proportion". I mean just look at Jim Bolger with something like nine kids, whoops, ok you may have proven your case :D Then there was Jenny, she gave out the hard word to the Welfare Dept not to tell beneficiaries about entitlements unless they asked. She was also the one to turn Superannuitants into beneficiaries, and discouraged the word "entitlement". Of course nothing is ever black or white, and there will always be some justification found to blame the poor for their predicament. The workhouses were intended to be a deterrent to the poor. www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk I am sure with some Kiwi ingenuity there would be sufficient bits and pieces in the local scrap yard to construct area treadmills, and put the poor to work generating power during a dry season :banana	Terry Porritt (14)
799577	2009-08-09 05:31:00	Did I say that then ? No I didn't, not directly, but as has always been the case, the right blame the poor for being poor. You need to provide evidence for "the unproductive breading (sic) out of all proportion". I mean just look at Jim Bolger with something like nine kids, whoops, OK you may have proven your case :D Then there was Jenny, she gave out the hard word to the Welfare Dept not to tell beneficiaries about entitlements unless they asked. She was also the one to turn Superannuitants into beneficiaries, and discouraged the word "entitlement". Of course nothing is ever black or white, and there will always be some justification found to blame the poor for their predicament. The workhouses were intended to be a deterrent to the poor. www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk I am sure with some Kiwi ingenuity there would be sufficient bits and pieces in the local scrap yard to construct area treadmills, and put the poor to work generating power during a dry season :banana Bolger and Jenny were principle free,so You can't call them true right. Leaving those out that can't help themselves,which we all would help,I am talking pro. poor and you can't tell me they are not that other than by choice. Anybody with half a brain can earn an honest living if they so desire,you and your ilk ( I mean that in the nicest possible way)keep these people in their place by saying to them,they are owed a living.	Cicero (40)
799578	2009-08-09 05:43:00	What amazes me the most, they showed a family on TV3 who was on the receiving end of support from the KidsCan trust right. The family was supposedly "poor" after having only $300 a week in their pocket AFTER rent has been paid. Seriously, if thats poor, bring that on! I've lived for almost a year now on far less than that BEFORE I've paid rent. Then you see this same family with 4 kids and they have Sanitarium Ricies and some other expensive breakfast cereals etc ... They even give their kids money to buy lunch at school, everybody knows damn well you can buy a loaf of bread for under $2, whack some of last nights dinner such as Chicken, Ham, maybe some Marmite & Chips (Pams no doubt, not the expensive ETA / Bluebird), chuck in some fruit, and the kids will live comfortably. What most of the families need is to go on a budgeting course, not "help" with provision of more money, what a freaking waste! Not to mention those receiving benefits shouldn't be allowed near anywhere such as the TAB, or to be able to buy smokes etc. AFAIK in Aus if somebody is on the dole, they must be doing a certain amount of community service each week whilst looking for a job, yes? Why the hell don't we have that here? What a bloody marvelous idea!! If I had $300 in my pocket after paying the rent each week, I'd live like a freaking king! My wife wouldn't even have to work!! We could both stay home all day and just enjoy life together!	Chilling_Silence (9)
799579	2009-08-09 05:50:00	What amazes me the most, they showed a family on TV3 who was on the receiving end of support from the KidsCan trust right. The family was supposedly "poor" after having only $300 a week in their pocket AFTER rent has been paid. Seriously, if thats poor, bring that on! I've lived for almost a year now on far less than that BEFORE I've paid rent. Then you see this same family with 4 kids and they have Sanitarium Ricies and some other expensive breakfast cereals etc ... They even give their kids money to buy lunch at school, everybody knows damn well you can buy a loaf of bread for under $2, whack some of last nights dinner such as Chicken, Ham, maybe some Marmite & Chips (Pams no doubt, not the expensive ETA / Bluebird), chuck in some fruit, and the kids will live comfortably. What most of the families need is to go on a budgeting course, not "help" with provision of more money, what a freaking waste! Not to mention those receiving benefits shouldn't be allowed near anywhere such as the TAB, or to be able to buy smokes etc. AFAIK in Aus if somebody is on the dole, they must be doing a certain amount of community service each week whilst looking for a job, yes? Why the hell don't we have that here? What a bloody marvelous idea!! If I had $300 in my pocket after paying the rent each week, I'd live like a freaking king! My wife wouldn't even have to work!! We could both stay home all day and just enjoy life together! It is often the people who most need the support, that never end up getting the charity money. The current amount the Telethon is at is pretty poor, which could be the result of the type of charity, as it is very difficult for people to relate to it. Compared to past telethons and with inflation, they should have made a lot more money, but maybe it is also the fact that telethons should remain in the 20th century. We used to have a work for dole system, by Labour dropped it when they got it. Pehaps people should be given the option to either work for dole, or the dole is a loan which they have to pay back.	robbyp (2751)
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