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Thread ID: 102356	2009-08-16 20:36:00	Shooter party in Oz calls the shots	prefect (6291)	PC World Chat

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801713	2009-08-17 07:03:00	And never the twain shall meet!! There's no answer to that if you don't say who the twain are :) Anyway I still can't seem to find out why you and Prefect want a shooter party. You are afraid of being disarmed if we don't have one, and Prefect seems to want to be able to shoot people who may be threatening him :banana	Terry Porritt (14)
801714	2009-08-17 07:13:00	There's no answer to that if you don't say who the twain are :) Anyway I still can't seem to find out why you and Prefect want a shooter party. You are afraid of being disarmed if we don't have one, and Prefect seems to want to be able to shoot people who may be threatening him :banana I take it you would rather let them shoot you than protect yourself. Not really that tricky,re shoot party. There are those among-st us who hate guns and probably humanity as well,and given half a chance they would disarm us,Phillip Alpers comes to mind. Oh and Terry Porritt. There was an Isaac Poritt in my village as a lad,if you had talked of removing guns from him,your botty would have been sore for days.	Cicero (40)
801715	2009-08-17 07:22:00	I hate Philip Alpers more than any person on this planet. The right to self defence was only lost about 25 years ago I just want it back. I have got permits for shooting fallow in Kahurangi National park so know the procedure. Some greenies in DOC are anti gun and anti shooting I can only hope they dont get into positions of power to limit shooting on public land.	prefect (6291)
801716	2009-08-17 07:46:00	What parts are nonsense? First I will concede there are a very few protected areas, such as predator free islands for example where your comments will apply. but as regards the vast majority of The DOC estate they do not. Paragraph1 Except for special areas, the public have right of access. The presence or otherwise of tramper/hunters/white-reebok tourists will have little or no affect on bird life. Those are the animmals we are talking about., including the ground birds. As the DOC website shows hunting is allowed with permits over most of the DOC estate, most of the time. Paragraph2 Having stowaway rats is only of significance as regards predator free islands, and mainland 'islands' such as Karori Wild Life Reserve, where you have to pass through a 'rat lock' and have any packs searched. If you have ever spent any time in the bush then you should be aware of bush rats being everywhere. Paragraph3 As I said DOC welcome hunters as a means of reducing pests such as deer pig and goat. DOC land is not hunter free now, so it remaining hunter free is a meaningless expression Hunters are not going to hunt Kiwi if there are no deer/pig :), they are helping to get rid of pests. Birds are the only endemic vertebrate species in New Zealand (apart from a bat). Ah yes, that makes more sense. I was commenting based on my limited knowledge of general conservation. But as for the last bit - I understand hunters won't hunt kiwi but wouldn't some action of the hunter, deliberate or not may contribute to some harm? Maybe litter?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
801717	2009-08-17 07:49:00	Why don't we have game preserves where organised groups could go out and shoot Morris Dancers, with extra bonus points for every tap dancer they bag?	R2x1 (4628)
801718	2009-08-17 07:57:00	I take it you would rather let them shoot you than protect yourself. Not really that tricky,re shoot party. There are those among-st us who hate guns and probably humanity as well,and given half a chance they would disarm us,Phillip Alpers comes to mind. Oh and Terry Porritt. There was an Isaac Poritt in my village as a lad,if you had talked of removing guns from him,your botty would have been sore for days. Shakes his head......there you go again drawing conclusions about people out of thin air....sometimes I despair. Where did I say I was anti-gun? Then we have Prefect, initialy said "Shooting on DOC land in NZ should be a right not a privilege" Well, with a permit it is already virtually a right as long as you have a gun licence, presumably he would like to see the permit system scrapped? As the DOC site says I repeat hunting is welcomed on DOC land. Let me quote from the back of the DOC Tararua map..... "Hunting is encouraged in Tararua Forest Park to help the Department of Conservation control deer, goats, and pigs which harm native plants. ................. Hunting permits are required and are obtainable from the Department of Conservation offices listed. They are current for a 6 month period" So lets cut the crap, forget all the hunting nonsense, and nonsense about DOC or some of DOC being anti gun, and get to the heart of the matter, the wanting of the right to bear arms as do the Americans and the private armies over there	Terry Porritt (14)
801719	2009-08-17 08:32:00	[QUOTE=qazwsxokmijn;811164......................... ..... But as for the last bit - I understand hunters won't hunt kiwi but wouldn't some action of the hunter, deliberate or not may contribute to some harm? Maybe litter?[/QUOTE] Yes, there is an element in the hunting fraternity that leaves a lot to be desired in their general behaviour. Many times I have seen carcass remains scattered in and around huts and in rubbish pits in the Tararuas, beer bottles left in huts on the 'tops',ie high level huts where the hunters have been flown in by helicopter, then left their rubbish behind. A pigs head left on a tree stump, dripping blood very near to Puteore hut in Waitotara Forest, and remains around the hut. Then there have been those who have deliberately spread 1080 poison in public walking areas and outside of official drop areas as a protest against its use, and also fired shots into the regional council offices. The thing is until the last pests are eradicated, then hunting will be required, even though the recreational hunters only contribute a bit to control.	Terry Porritt (14)
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