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| Thread ID: 102454 | 2009-08-19 13:30:00 | Judges do not make law. | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 802630 | 2009-08-20 05:55:00 | I serously worry for you at times sweep. Leaky homes? Winston said shoddy house. 10 seconds of Google will reveal the case occured when there was a Privy Council, this is the first that came up, I didn't go any further..... (www.justice.govt.nz) ...........and what the relevance of the amazing revelation that we do not have a House of Lords (at this time) is beyond all comprehension. Really you are as bad as Cic, :clap Be fair now Ter,he is nothing like as bad as me! |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 802631 | 2009-08-20 06:22:00 | Be fair now Ter,he is nothing like as bad as me! Maybe not, I'll concede you that, but he is different.........even....unusual (www.youtube.com) :punk |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 802632 | 2009-08-20 07:01:00 | Maybe not, I'll concede you that, but he is different.........even....unusual (www.youtube.com) :punk I say it's not................. www.youtube.com |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 802633 | 2009-08-20 07:11:00 | The big question is who appoints these judges? As far as I know, and I may be wrong, most judges were appointed by the Government. Labour government = judges with a liberal agenda... Go the American way, vote in the Crown Prosecutors, vote in the Judges. Maybe that way they'll be more in touch with the people than they are now. And it is that what will keep the crime (and all such crap) down. Judges do not make laws, they enforce them and in doing so set presidents for future cases of such a nature, so rather they refine existing ones, rather than make new ones. |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 802634 | 2009-08-20 08:12:00 | This explains about judicial appointments. www.courtsofnz.govt.nz If you go the American way then indeed you are into political appointments big time :cool: |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 802635 | 2009-08-20 08:17:00 | I serously worry for you at times sweep. Leaky homes? Winston said shoddy house. 10 seconds of Google will reveal the case occured when there was a Privy Council, this is the first that came up, I didn't go any further..... (www.justice.govt.nz) ...........and what the relevance of the amazing revelation that we do not have a House of Lords (at this time) is beyond all comprehension. Really you are as bad as Cic, :clap Judge me not lest you be judged. Or here:- onespiritproject.com :p |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 802636 | 2009-08-20 08:40:00 | This explains about judicial appointments. www.courtsofnz.govt.nz If you go the American way then indeed you are into political appointments big time :cool: When idiots like our current Chief Justice (Sian what's her name) are involved in the process of selecting judges, then the system has clearly failed. The American way seems far more democratic and less like a puppet (or was that muppet?) socialist dictatorship. CJ Sian the Wise has suggested that we release prisoners from the jails for economic reasons, while saying she does not know if such a thing would be feasible or not. The government makes laws and policy. Not judges, but with people like this and their little cornies, at the end of the day where does the political arms begin and where does judicial arm begin? In saying that, I still reckon that a same sex couple would probably take better care of a kid than their biological P addicted parents who should have been locked behind bars, instead of fornicating like bunnies and taking my taxes (in prison or out), but aren't - again start the cycle of ruined lives. |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 802637 | 2009-08-21 05:21:00 | The American way seems far more democratic and less like a puppet (or was that muppet?) socialist dictatorship. CJ Sian the Wise has suggested that we release prisoners from the jails for economic reasons, while saying she does not know if such a thing would be feasible or not. The government makes laws and policy. Not judges..... So you want judges and prosecutors to be elected huh? Would you like public hospital surgeons elected too? After all they all perform a public service..... The result would be the ones with the best smile and the most money to spend would get elected. Just like in the USA. Nothing to do with ability. George Bush got elected - twice! Dame Sian Elias has 40 years experience as a lawyer and a judge. She's met and dealt with more criminals than we've had hot dinners. She simply said that NZ is locking up more and more criminals every year, and its making no difference to crime at all. Almost every prisoner is released eventually. Let them go earlier, reduce overcrowding and lock up less. Her point is also that as a community we need to stop children growing up to be criminals. Not exactly controversial. Finally - you'll disagree but I assure you judges have made new law for centuries and will continue to do so. Not the dramatic stuff like legalising euthanasia, but subtle extensions of rights to individuals against the state. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 802638 | 2009-08-21 07:53:00 | So you want judges and prosecutors to be elected huh? Would you like public hospital surgeons elected too? After all they all perform a public service . . . . . The result would be the ones with the best smile and the most money to spend would get elected . Just like in the USA . Nothing to do with ability . George Bush got elected - twice! Maybe the smile, or maybe at least someone who will be in-tune with the electorate . Am I saying we get some random person with no experience? As long as there is a criteria to weed out the said random people with no experience, then yeah . Let the guy with the good smile, who is in tune with the people be elected . You comparing surgeons to judges is like saying "More people died on the operating table than died of gun shot wounds . Let's get rid of surgeons . " So you want judges and prosecutors to be elected Dame Sian Elias has 40 years experience as a lawyer and a judge . She's met and dealt with more criminals than we've had hot dinners . She simply said that NZ is locking up more and more criminals every year, and its making no difference to crime at all . Almost every prisoner is released eventually . Let them go earlier, reduce overcrowding and lock up less . Her point is also that as a community we need to stop children growing up to be criminals . Not exactly controversial . My last suggestion may be controversial . I do not know whether it is practical or politically acceptable, but I think it needs to be considered . We need to look at direct tools to manage the prison population if overcrowding is not to cause significant safety and human rights issues . Other countries use executive amnesties to send prisoners into the community early to prevent overcrowding . Such solutions will not please many . And I am not well placed to assess whether they are feasible . But the alternatives and the costs of overcrowding need to be weighed . How can there be a difference in crime when the prison and justice system are a revolving door? But the most disturbing thing is the second last sentence in the quote . She says she is not well placed to "assess whether they are feasible" - that right there is a sign of incompetence, and more importantly I ask you, is it not her job to know? to be placed to know? I think maybe we the people should have the option of electing such an official, who does not seem to know her job . This is not a first for her . Have a nice look at her record . It is nothing but a load of socialist agendas . Oh, if we want to release them earlier, why not just stop putting them there? Let anarchy rule . Finally - you'll disagree but I assure you judges have made new law for centuries and will continue to do so . Not the dramatic stuff like legalising euthanasia, but subtle extensions of rights to individuals against the state . As I said, judges do not make policy nor laws . They set precedent, which are not laws . |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 802639 | 2009-08-21 07:56:00 | Bring back the Birch. And hang him. | R2x1 (4628) | ||
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