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Thread ID: 102570	2009-08-24 10:19:00	Light Smacking - Yeah Right	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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803925	2009-08-25 08:29:00	What ? !....are you trying to say a smack is assault ? NZ is becoming a country of liberal idiots! "becoming" ? ?	R2x1 (4628)
803926	2009-08-25 08:42:00	Now let’s think about this. Now that Mr Key has a law that criminalises any parent that smacks a child, but only if the policeman thinks he/she might be a bad parent or a dislikeable person, maybe we can extend this thinking. Let's have a law that criminalises anybody for inhaling oxygen, but only if the policeman thinks they may be a bad or dislikeable person. All of a sudden all boy racers, drunk & disorderly revellers, or really anyone that gets up Mr. Policeman's nose can be arrested, charged, found guilty & got rid of. Perfect - even Hitler would have loved it. Thank you for taking us to Stage 1 of this marvellous scheme Mr. Key. You have really excelled! :groan: Amazing as a moderator said before its not long before the nazis are always dragged into the argument.	prefect (6291)
803927	2009-08-25 08:55:00	There's no argument here; I have agreed with myself 100% of the time this thread has been running and I have no intention of changing my mind. Everybody else has done the same, so obviously we are unanimous.	R2x1 (4628)
803928	2009-08-25 11:41:00	Interesting people think "liberal" kids are somehow bad. My kids went to a school with no uniform, no smacking, pretty much as liberal as they come, and they don't appear to be these major issues that should have happened if the spare the rod crowd are right. Now back when I worked for Justice, most of the offenders had been hit by their parents for good correction, some with a belt or worse. So seems to me the hitting kids prevents problems lobby have it the wrong way around, kids that are beaten are more likely to get into trouble. Of course, it could be argued they were beaten because they were the ones more likely to get in trouble, just doesn't tally with my experience. The "society has gone wrong" and remember the good old days people seem to have hazy memories of recent human history. My kids are safer and likely to live longer than any time in human history. That's the trouble with these smacking solves everything type people, the truth just never seems to match up with the theory.	Twelvevolts (5457)
803929	2009-08-25 21:24:00	Amazing as a moderator said before its not long before the Nazis are always dragged into the argument. I am glad we have clairvoyant mods.	Cicero (40)
803930	2009-08-25 22:43:00	The "society has gone wrong" and remember the good old days people seem to have hazy memories of recent human history. My kids are safer and likely to live longer than any time in human history. That's the trouble with these smacking solves everything type people, the truth just never seems to match up with the theory. You know try as I may, I just cant accept this statement, the crux of the matter isnt about smacking, that is just the result, its about the removal of barrier to guide children, and IMHO only very very good parents with better than most communication skills can carry off an up-bring without enforcement of barriers. I guess every generation must say it, however I find kids today very rude, arrogant & disrespectful, I have a teenager at home! They are full of their rights etc, and appear to struggle talking to authority. We have murders just about everyday, the worst drug problems ever, and solo parents almost as prevalent as the traditional family unit. Do we have problems?, you bet!	SolMiester (139)
803931	2009-08-26 08:39:00	Look at all the problems liberals have caused in New Zealand. Liberalism looks like its a failed experiment. Sickly white Anglo Saxons were the instigators, now you cant smack your kid when they deserve it. They have totally train wrecked NZ society. We now have a generation of kids who are ill disciplined and not scared of authority. Why has common courtesy a hall mark of a civilized English society like ours gone down the gurgler.	prefect (6291)
803932	2009-08-26 11:13:00	You know try as I may, I just cant accept this statement, the crux of the matter isnt about smacking, that is just the result, its about the removal of barrier to guide children, and IMHO only very very good parents with better than most communication skills can carry off an up-bring without enforcement of barriers. I guess every generation must say it, however I find kids today very rude, arrogant & disrespectful, I have a teenager at home! They are full of their rights etc, and appear to struggle talking to authority. We have murders just about everyday, the worst drug problems ever, and solo parents almost as prevalent as the traditional family unit. Do we have problems?, you bet! You paint a rosy picture of the past and a grim picture of the present. Statements like worst drug problems ever don't stack up when you read about the 20's for example, the world had many more murders in the 1940's, millions and millions of them. The 50's that the Sensible Sentencing Trust are fond of harping on about, were after the worst decade for murders in living history, not many were left to get into trouble and people were busy rebuilding the world. When I was a teenager I listened to Led Zeppelin, had long hair and drove a Zephyr and broke a few rules. See myself today and I'd think I was a hoon, that's just getting old and less tolerant. Never been sure what the smacking lobby thinks it achieves - I presume the threat of hurting your kids is meant to contain them, but we all know from the cane at school it just doesn't work, naughty kids won't stop because you beat them. I bet everyone who smacks has to keep doing it, the kids don't actually stop doing things the parents think need punishment.	Twelvevolts (5457)
803933	2009-08-26 11:29:00	If the cane doesn't work, should we try hanging? Then again, the guillotine might be worth a trial? Stoning for the other religions I suppose.	R2x1 (4628)
803934	2009-08-26 11:33:00	If the cane doesn't work, should we try hanging? Then again, the guillotine might be worth a trial? Stoning for the other religions I suppose. Hanging kids won't go down well in all quarters - but we could have a referendum to see how popular it would be.	Twelvevolts (5457)
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