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Thread ID: 102570 2009-08-24 10:19:00 Light Smacking - Yeah Right Twelvevolts (5457) PC World Chat
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803915 2009-08-25 00:38:00 1. I was smacked as a child (even got the dreaded slipper and occasionally the wooden spoon, when circumstances necessitated it) and I am a normal, well-adjusted functioning member of society with no violence issues (or court convictions of any kind). My outlook on life is also normal and not affected in any way by the corporal punishment meted out to me when I was a naughty boy all those years ago.

Same goes for most of our generation. If corporal punishment doesn't work why do the young now have no respect for

Police
The law
Teachers
Adults in general

I don't advocate smacking but can see in some circumstances that it has it's place. I voted yes not to support smacking but to get the law clarified since it is as ambiguous as the referendum question was
gary67 (56)
803916 2009-08-25 00:53:00 Same goes for most of our generation. If corporal punishment doesn't work why do the young now have no respect for

Police
The law
Teachers
Adults in general

I don't advocate smacking but can see in some circumstances that it has it's place. I voted yes not to support smacking but to get the law clarified since it is as ambiguous as the referendum question was

Pain and discipline are synonomous,but the youth of today must never feel pain.
Not good for them.
Cicero (40)
803917 2009-08-25 02:08:00 Same goes for most of our generation. If corporal punishment doesn't work why do the young now have no respect for

Police
The law
Teachers
Adults in general

I don't advocate smacking but can see in some circumstances that it has it's place. I voted yes not to support smacking but to get the law clarified since it is as ambiguous as the referendum question was

Loss of respect can be laid at the feet of parents. Children imitate what they see. The babyboomers rejected authority and now wonder why their children reject their authority???
Winston001 (3612)
803918 2009-08-25 02:11:00 3. More social engineering won't help the situation. It will just alienate large sectors of society who don't like (rightly, IMHO) being told what to do by a faceless, 'we-know-what's-best-for-you' organisation. That's why Helen's lot got kicked out last time....


Actually social engineering by law does work. Abolition of slavery. Labour laws protecting workers. Abolition of the crime of homosexuality. Abolition of the right to strike your wife. The list goes on.
Winston001 (3612)
803919 2009-08-25 02:17:00 No Sol, she isn't confused . The word "smack" does not appear anywhere in the law . It is a form of assault and assault is unlawful .

Section 59 provides an exception, a defence for parents permiting mild assaults on their children as part of parenting .


What?! . . . . are you trying to say a smack is assault? NZ is becoming a country of liberal idiots!
SolMiester (139)
803920 2009-08-25 02:29:00 What?!....are you trying to say a smack is assault? NZ is becoming a country of liberal idiots!

Any unwanted or uninvited application of force to the body of another person is assault. Pushing your way through a crowd consists of multiple assaults - but no court would ever be interested. Inconsequential. Just as no court would be interested in a light smack. And Families First could not come up with one case.

Just for the record, there are exceptions to the law of assault - police, customs, medical, prison officers etc.
Winston001 (3612)
803921 2009-08-25 02:39:00 ........................

Just for the record, there are exceptions to the law of assault - police, customs, medical, prison officers etc.

......................and in song..... :)

Herman Hupfeld who wrote 'As Time Goes By', also wrote 'Let's Put out The Lights' containing...........

"No more money in the bank,
No cute baby we can spank,
So, what's to do about it?
Let's put out the lights and go to bed."

Sue Bradford would have kittens if she listened to this tune, and no doubt would try to get it banned :banana

www.getalyric.com
Terry Porritt (14)
803922 2009-08-25 02:51:00 Actually social engineering by law does work. Abolition of slavery. Labour laws protecting workers. Abolition of the crime of homosexuality. Abolition of the right to strike your wife. The list goes on.

Good to see homosexuality was acknowledged as a crime.
Cicero (40)
803923 2009-08-25 03:46:00 Now let’s think about this .

Now that Mr Key has a law that criminalises any parent that smacks a child, but only if the policeman thinks he/she might be a bad parent or a dislikeable person, maybe we can extend this thinking .

Let's have a law that criminalises anybody for inhaling oxygen, but only if the policeman thinks they may be a bad or dislikeable person .

All of a sudden all boy racers, drunk & disorderly revellers, or really anyone that gets up Mr . Policeman's nose can be arrested, charged, found guilty & got rid of .

Perfect - even Hitler would have loved it .

Thank you for taking us to Stage 1 of this marvellous scheme Mr . Key .

You have really excelled! :groan:
B.M. (505)
803924 2009-08-25 03:58:00 All this is just a diversion aimed at taking our focus off the real issue of how many of our kids are being violently killed. This anti-smacking law is a stupid waste of time, it's not protecting the kids that are being beaten to death, it's just wasting innocent peoples (and the polices) time.

There's quite a good spiel here (talkbacknz.com) about it.
KiwiTek (12922)
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