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Thread ID: 146462	2018-08-09 06:01:00	Car mechanics not sticking to the maintenance schedule?	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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1452495	2018-08-16 05:11:00	What happens if you do. Advice taken, just wondering as to why I used to slowly push the brake pedal to force the fluid through, being carefull to watch the fluid level. changing brake fluid on my mountain bike, that was an awefull experience . Had to be forced through with squeezy bottle , through a tiny hole. Plastic tube on the squeezy bottle would fly off spraying me with brake fluid :mad: New Zealander have for eighty years been bleeding brake fluid through by pushing the pedal until this Yank came along and said not to do it.	prefect (6291)
1452496	2018-08-16 06:12:00	OK youse guys --- here's the reason: Part One:---------- The Master Cylinder creates and stores a lot of gunk at the final travel of the dual pistons all the time. (not so on a single cylinder so much - but it still happens) IF you press the brake pedal all the way down to the floor whilst bleeding or flushing or replenishing the fluid - the pistons - having soft rubber seals - will pack in with that gunk. It ruins the Master Cylinder unless one wants to rebuild it themselves. It's do-able! Really. Just tricky, that's all. I always have a board of about 2 inches in thickness that I put between the brake pedal and the floor to keep the piston from hitting that congealed rubber flakes, dirt, piston flakes - either aluminum or even plastic nowadays ---> and gunk. Part Two--------- IF that gunk gets pushed out of the master cylinder* - say when one forces the pedal to work by pushing it all the way to the floor ----- * it will! THEN the possibility - no, make that PROBABILITY of ruining the ABS solenoids and valves is more than likely. The master cylinder on most vehicles isn't so expensive until you hit the high-end Japanese cars --- BUT that ABS computer is gonna cost you a lot! Just do NOT go around poking the bears - OK? I like youse guys in Upsidedown Land - really I do!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1452497	2018-08-16 06:16:00	@kahawai chaser As you probably know, a series of diagnostics MM tests - voltage drops/readings/continuity between the ECU and the components/loads/solenoids, etc. I hope you use a DVM and not an analog meter. The load on the 5VDC supply cannot take a needle swinger!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1452498	2018-08-28 08:59:00	Discarded my analogue meter years ago. Talking diagnostics, My newish Nissan has a built in diagnostic procedure (via the "intelligent power distribution module" - a inverted fuse/relay - that I think connects to the body module.). So cycling between a few koeo's within set times and flicking a door switch 20 times - will activate loads, and systems 3x giving time to walk around the car to inspect to see if lights, door locks, fans, etc are working. Nissan also has their proprietary consult 2 or 3 tool which provides more advanced diagnostics. Similar koeo procedure supposedly to register a new chipped ignition key... Why don't new cars provide/display these tools/ built in (on - screen displaying graphs, sensor type/fault, voltage readings, current, etc) rather than just DTC codes? If they did- the more discerning driver might instantly know what the faulty part is...Fixing can be easier than figuring out the issue - or paying someone to do it...	kahawai chaser (3545)
1452499	2018-08-28 09:35:00	Discarded my analogue meter years ago. Talking diagnostics, My newish Nissan has a built in diagnostic procedure (via the "intelligent power distribution module" - a inverted fuse/relay - that I think connects to the body module.). So cycling between a few koeo's within set times and flicking a door switch 20 times - will activate loads, and systems 3x giving time to walk around the car to inspect to see if lights, door locks, fans, etc are working. Nissan also has their proprietary consult 2 or 3 tool which provides more advanced diagnostics. Similar koeo procedure supposedly to register a new chipped ignition key... Why don't new cars provide/display these tools/ built in (on - screen displaying graphs, sensor type/fault, voltage readings, current, etc) rather than just DTC codes? If they did- the more discerning driver might instantly know what the faulty part is...Fixing can be easier than figuring out the issue - or paying someone to do it... because the manufacture wants to make money from repairing your car. toyota sued websites that had oem manuals, some have proprietary scan tools etc. but on the other hand they don't want people doing half arsed diagnostics and then blaming them when its wrong. thats why for eg temp gauges don't ever move when the engine is up to temp, even tho engine temp does vary when you drive. with the old gauges people would complain that their car was overheating every time they went up a small hill. so now they make idiot gauges that only read hot after the engine is cooked.	tweak'e (69)
1452500	2018-08-28 20:02:00	OK youse guys --- here's the reason: ! No idea how husband, prefect and many others ever managed for years and years of doing this, without you.	piroska (17583)
1452501	2018-08-28 23:18:00	No idea how husband, prefect and many others ever managed for years and years of doing this, without you. Could say similar about you with all your cutting and pasting when replying! Mostly, Joe replies from his own knowledge! Ken	kenj (9738)
1452502	2018-08-29 01:49:00	Could say similar about you with all your cutting and pasting when replying! Mostly, Joe replies from his own knowledge!KenTo be fair, there might be a bit of cut and paste on joes behalf	plod (107)
1452503	2018-08-29 06:57:00	To be fair, there might be a bit of cut and paste on joes behalf I quite agree, but Joe knows what he is talking about though. And he is pretty courteous. More than some that post on here. I thought that was a pretty snide remark by piroska/pctek Ken :clap	kenj (9738)
1452504	2018-09-02 05:33:00	<snippity snip> . Why don't new cars provide/display these tools/ built in (on - screen displaying graphs, sensor type/fault, voltage readings, current, etc) rather than just DTC codes? If they did- the more discerning driver might instantly know what the faulty part is . . . Fixing can be easier than figuring out the issue - or paying someone to do it . . . Ya know - I like your logic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . but (there's always a 'but' - isn't there?) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . just like the demise of steam powered automobiles . . . because the average person has little to no pressurized-boiling water-to-steam smarts . . . . there would be 30 foot craters where the operator/owner of steam boiler driven vehicles . . . . . used to exist . Telling someone that their medium voltage null point is not being hit at least 50% of the duty cycle of their HO2Ss - would get blank stares and prolly just ignoring of the blinking CEL or SES lamp . To a technician, it means a world of things that can vary from a defective HO2S or the WeatherKing or Bosch fitting or it's just time to replace it - whereEVER it may be! To make it much more interesting . . . . some vehicles have multiple HO2Ss and without the proper test gear . . . . . will remain a mystery to the owner/operator . They can always change all of them, (whatEVER they are!~) hoping they got it fixed - for a lot of $$s . I call this "The Columbus Method Of Auto Repair" - in that you seek until you discover . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I hope they teach about Christopher Columbus in NZ schools - if not, just put a few question marks (NZ = " ? ") as a response here and I'll tell what I know - however------> it may be slightly dated as I went to school before history was re-written to be kind and non-biased against Italian ship skippers) Time to be a little-bit snarky now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (totally outta character for me - right?) I've always thought that any serious code that fires up that light should also be accompanied with a small hammer that comes out of the headrest and hits the owner's head until they take the vehicle in to be decoded and repaired as necessary . No - I think that with an owner's ability to decode and diagnose the trouble -----> also carries a lot of responsibility . IF a driver found out that they have (what they think it is anyway!) a tiny-little problem - they are likely want to ignore it . I opt for fear and mysterious loathing . That's gets the driver's and owner's attention and repairs are quickly (or next pay cycle) commenced before something melts down or burns up . . . . . . . . or falls off .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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