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| Thread ID: 102773 | 2009-09-01 00:01:00 | Hybrid cars and Greenies? | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 805887 | 2009-09-01 00:01:00 | tvnz.co.nz So should we be mining rare elements from DOC controlled land so we reduce Petrol and Diesel use? |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 805888 | 2009-09-01 00:05:00 | Yes | somebody (208) | ||
| 805889 | 2009-09-01 00:18:00 | Sounds good to me but it may be abhorrent to others who march to the beat of a different drum. | Sweep (90) | ||
| 805890 | 2009-09-01 00:54:00 | Sounds good to me but it may be abhorrent to others who march to the beat of a different drum. That's because they're believing the hysteria coming out of extremists factions that all of DOC's land will be strip-mined to oblivion - when in reality, the proportion of land worth mining is a fraction of a percent, and the way the law is written means that there are a lot of areas of high conservation value they simply couldn't mine. Modern mining practices (like the Pike River mine - which incidentally is on DOC land) have limited environmental impact in comparison to traditional mining techniques. My preference is to allow mining in certain pockets of low-value conservation land, and make the mining company compensate DOC in two ways: 1) buy land which is currently privately owned with conservation value and donate it to DOC 2) pay for conservation additional activities in the area - say, building walking tracks, planting trees, saving native birds etc. etc. That way not only do we benefit from the minerals mined, but we end up with MORE, high quality conservation land which can be used by the public. On another note, if this mining takes place, I bet that local iwi and hapu will suddenly come out of the woodwork and demand that they be "consulted" (or in other words, get a cut of the profits). |
somebody (208) | ||
| 805891 | 2009-09-01 01:25:00 | My preference is to allow mining in certain pockets of low-value conservation land, and make the mining company compensate DOC in two ways: 1) buy land which is currently privately owned with conservation value and donate it to DOC 2) pay for conservation additional activities in the area - say, building walking tracks, planting trees, saving native birds etc. etc. That way not only do we benefit from the minerals mined, but we end up with MORE, high quality conservation land which can be used by the public. On another note, if this mining takes place, I bet that local iwi and hapu will suddenly come out of the woodwork and demand that they be "consulted" (or in other words, get a cut of the profits). I agree with your preferences. However in reality it may not be that simple as mining companies would have little interest in downgrading their profits, unfortunately. :( And little doubt about the iwi thing. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 805892 | 2009-09-01 01:45:00 | However in reality it may not be that simple as mining companies would have little interest in downgrading their profits, unfortunately. You simply make it a condition of issuing the mining permit - if they don't agree, they won't get the permit, and can't mine. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 805893 | 2009-09-01 02:18:00 | You simply make it a condition of issuing the mining permit - if they don't agree, they won't get the permit, and can't mine. My goodness. A simple law that can be enforced I believe. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 805894 | 2009-09-01 02:36:00 | My goodness. A simple law that can be enforced I believe. Of course. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 805895 | 2009-09-01 02:39:00 | Yes if we need the minerals the wildlife can be transferred somewhere else. Dont worry about the forest its regenerates by itself starting with manuka. I you dont believe me go down the coast look at some 130 year old foties of the mining area then look at area you cant see a trace. Earthquakes and naturally caused fires caused devastation before but the greenery grows back. Thereare some good mineral deposits in Kahurangi national park especially nickel and they were known about when it was only the NW forest park so lets start getting the goodies out of the hills. Hybrid cars like those stupid toyotas arent really green exact opposite the resources and energy used to make the batteries outweighs any saving in burning hydrocarbon. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 805896 | 2009-09-01 12:14:00 | I think the same about energy-saving CCFLs... The extra resources used to make them and the extra effort to dispose of them properly probably heavily impacts on their energy savings. The old style bulbs seem to use less resources, would probably be much more recyclable and provided the electricity to run them came from a good source they would probably be greener... |
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