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Thread ID: 109706	2010-05-19 21:35:00	"Big Time" is over	wallarro (11242)	Press F1

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886365	2010-05-20 09:56:00	NZ needs to do the following 1. Break Telecoms Near local loop monopoly with FTTD (if handled well). 2. Break Telecoms Near monoply with International capacity (Southern Cross) 3. Future proof likely residential capacity requirements, so that rules out DSL2. All these things need to be correct not just one that suits you personally!. Fixing all 3 will likely bring down data charges and level the playing field, and yes us Tax payers will have to pay for 10 years of NZ broadband mismanagement. I'm just sick of seeing misinformed people. This is the TUANZ we're talking about and even their spokesperson has it wrong! Tell me how improving the national backhaul would have prevented the closure of the Big Time plan? How retarded is that to say that "If we had 100m/bit fibre, we wouldn't have this issue". WRONG in so many ways! If we had 100m/bit fibre, imagine how much MORE people would be downloading! IMAGINE! They're currently limited to a max of 24mbps (Though real world likely top out around sync of 16mbps in my experience). Now, tell me how improving the national backhaul will improve the cost-per-GB of bringing data into the country, which we've established already is why the Big Time plan has to close. It won't. The Pacific Fibre project *ought* to, but time will of course tell. Future proofing is one thing, but losing a current plan because our international data is already too expensive for current consumption is another ...	Chilling_Silence (9)
886366	2010-05-20 12:16:00	The Pacific Fibre project *ought* to, but time will of course tell. Future proofing is one thing, but losing a current plan because our international data is already too expensive for current consumption is another ... Totally agree - we need a BIG competitor to Southern Cross to get international data prices down.	decibel (11645)
886367	2010-05-20 21:17:00	I'm just sick of seeing misinformed people. This is the TUANZ we're talking about and even their spokesperson has it wrong! Tell me how improving the national backhaul would have prevented the closure of the Big Time plan? How retarded is that to say that "If we had 100m/bit fibre, we wouldn't have this issue". WRONG in so many ways! If we had 100m/bit fibre, imagine how much MORE people would be downloading! IMAGINE! They're currently limited to a max of 24mbps (Though real world likely top out around sync of 16mbps in my experience). Now, tell me how improving the national backhaul will improve the cost-per-GB of bringing data into the country, which we've established already is why the Big Time plan has to close. It won't. The Pacific Fibre project *ought* to, but time will of course tell. Future proofing is one thing, but losing a current plan because our international data is already too expensive for current consumption is another ... Big Time closed because of incompetent handling (no surprise there) Do you not understand Telecom still controls most of the local loop through wholesale. Do you not understand Telecom Controls most of the international Capacity You are horribly fixated on 50% of the problem.	Battleneter2 (9361)
886368	2010-05-20 22:57:00	Big Time closed because of incompetent handling (no surprise there) To a certain degree, yes . They're always playing cat & mouse trying to keep up with ways around bandwidth shaping Do you not understand Telecom still controls most of the local loop through wholesale . I fail to see what that has to do with anything? Nobody is griping about the base cost of $60 for unlimited broadband are they? Is it relevant in any way? No . Not in the slightest . By all those who've got unlimited broadband, $60 was quite generous compared with the fact you pay the same for a 20GB plan . What the problem is for Kiwis is the cost per-GB . Why have a 100m/bit line, or even a 50m/bit VDSL2 line when you still only get 10GB of data per-month . It's pointless . Do you not understand Telecom Controls most of the international Capacity Yes, I do, but it makes SFA difference who controls it realistically . What matters is the cost in which they can get the data from overseas, into the country at . I couldn't care less who owns it . Again, the owner details are totally irrelevant . The price per-GB, that's what matters . Tell you what, you find a way to bring data in cheaper than Telecom is getting it, and I can pretty much promise you that Telecom Xtra would begin using it . Telecom Xtra does not *have* to buy from Telecom Chorus . You are horribly fixated on 50% of the problem . No deal . You are horribly fixated on bashing Telecom . Why? After them *trying* to give you a flat-rate data plan, the only ISP to do so (There are Xnet / Slingshot with free after-hours traffic), all you can do is ***** and moan . You are the reason that Kiwis have the bad name off suffering from tall poppy syndrome, chopping down anybody who tries to do something good and stand above the rest .	Chilling_Silence (9)
886369	2010-05-21 00:20:00	They should just change the Terms and Conditions (they already say they're allowed to do this at any time if they so wish to) then, kick the heavy users off and keep it, and\or reduce the maximum line speed to 2Mbit or something	Agent_24 (57)
886370	2010-05-21 00:30:00	That'd be nice :D	Chilling_Silence (9)
886371	2010-06-26 04:31:00	Has anyone here received an email or letter from telecom regarding the BT closure?	Netsukeninja (13296)
886372	2010-06-26 04:33:00	Nothing since the last one.	Chilling_Silence (9)
886373	2010-06-26 04:36:00	Nothing since the last one. Telecom hasn't even contacted me at all regarding the closure, no email, no letter. If they change my plan without notifying me, do I have any wriggle-room?	Netsukeninja (13296)
886374	2010-06-26 04:36:00	I have not but there again I don't use Bigtime. I also don't have a long term contract. I have both phone and internet with Telecom.	Sweep (90)
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