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Thread ID: 103360	2009-09-20 01:35:00	Drink Driving	prefect (6291)	PC World Chat

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812072	2009-09-20 21:49:00	My cousin arrived at our Christmas do last year, pissed off his rocker. In no fit state to drive anything... Man it caused a row when somebody suggested he should be locked up for that! Interesting thought: The suicide rate in NZ is apparently higher than the road-toll annually. Why do we see less on the media about depression / suicide than we do about drink-driving? The story goes that when Piggy Muldoon got pissed his staff would let the tyres down on his car so he would have to take a taxi. Anyone that lets a mate drive when they are drunk is partly responsible for any accidents. You must have missed the ad campaign fronted by John Kirwan on depression http://www.depression.org.nz/ AFAIK the media are restricted in their reporting on suicide to avoid "copycat" problems. There is some debate about this.	PaulD (232)
812073	2009-09-20 21:56:00	And of course you always drive extremely well, especially when you have been drinking. That is totally uncalled for, you deserve a ban.	prefect (6291)
812074	2009-09-20 21:58:00	The story goes that when Piggy Muldoon got pissed his staff would let the tyres down on his car so he would have to take a taxi. Anyone that lets a mate drive when they are drunk is partly responsible for any accidents. You must have missed the ad campaign fronted by John Kirwan on depression http://www.depression.org.nz/ AFAIK the media are restricted in their reporting on suicide to avoid "copycat" problems. There is some debate about this. Yep piggy used to put a few away he drove a Chrysler Valiant in his later years. He would of intimidated any cop in those days that pulled him up I reckon.	prefect (6291)
812075	2009-09-20 23:20:00	You obviously lead a very sheltered life.. Hardly - I admit being young and stupid and driving when I shouldnt have. I was lucky, very very lucky. Like Rob said how many go out and intend to drink under the limit so they can drive home. The guides about quantity are just guides. If the guide was zero then you cant get that wrong.	sam m (517)
812076	2009-09-20 23:31:00	You must have missed the ad campaign fronted by John Kirwan on depression http://www.depression.org.nz/ AFAIK the media are restricted in their reporting on suicide to avoid "copycat" problems. There is some debate about this. Nah, we actually used one of his videos a while back in a church sermon, we've seen that ... unfortunately it's not screened enough IMO!	Chilling_Silence (9)
812077	2009-09-20 23:36:00	If they lower the blood alcohol limit. It will mean a huge amount of people will blow over the limit. That comment defies logic and reason. A limit is a limit, not a target to exceed. Australia has had a .05 limit for many years and it didn't increase drink driving, it reduced it. Incidentally, Peter Brock's racing number was 05 and was chosen specifically to support the Australian Police in their campaign to reduce drink driving. I weigh 75kg and can drink a full 750ml bottle of wine over dinner and still stay below our current limit of .08 BAC/400 BrAC, in fact I peak just over .05 at .053. That is as tested on a fully calibrated Intoxilyzer as were used by the NZ police, and a Draeger 7110 MKIIIC as used by the Australian and US Police. I can tell you that I wouldn't dream of driving in that condition either, once I am approaching .05 I wouldn't get behind the wheel of a car if you paid me. I am reasonably well qualified to comment on this as I have been providing expert evidence in DUI cases for over 15 years, have testified as an expert in DUI cases in NZ, Australian, Canadian and US Courts, possess my own Intoxilyzer machine and have had access to police machines for testing (but not in NZ, they were too wary to let me have theirs) I have also travelled to the US several times to lecture defence attorneys on the weaknesses of EBA testing machines. In my opinion lowering the breath/blood alcohol limit is an excellent move as it is the casual drinkers who have the minor accidents, but the seasoned drinkers, who I can fairly say can drink more before they are seriously affected, are usually the ones who have the horrendous accidents because they are unable to recognise their level of impairment. During one set of tests carried out for a US State Supreme Court, a test subject who rarely drank was falling about the place on half a bottle and a BAC well below the limit, while another who was well over the limit was seemingly unaffected, but I wouldn't have got into a car with them. Cheers Billy 8-{) :ban Drink Driving Oh Yes, I forgot to say, Prefect has absolutely no idea of how much alcohol it takes to reach either the youth or adult limits, and metabolisation/elimination rates are also important. If you don't know the basics even, keep your keyboard unplugged.	Billy T (70)
812078	2009-09-20 23:43:00	OK they drop the limit and no more people will break the lowered limit seems a bit far fetched to me even if you think you are an expert.	prefect (6291)
812079	2009-09-20 23:53:00	The people who already ensure they stay under the limit will adjust, Those that can't figure it out or take their chances with a glass of beer may get busted. Those that don't care will still not care and do as they see fit. Perhaps it may reduce the amount of people busted as a zero limit is easy to follow, The drunk drivers will still be drunk,and driving, and killing when they stuff it up. I don't believe for a second that the 2 beers after work people are a problem, nor that these people are so immature and unable to live that they need to be micro-managed by the state. Might as well just take a number,forget your name, and the state can give us instructions for the day. You want to make the roads safer,educate/train those that deserve the right,and lock up those that endanger others. Taking their little piece of paper off them that gives them the right to drive is meaningless, and enforcing severe restrictions on people who aren't the problem is a disgrace.	Metla (12)
812080	2009-09-21 00:18:00	There needs to be some proper penalties in place Lock them up and/or take the cars off them	Capt Jimbo (17)
812081	2009-09-21 00:24:00	+1 for both Billy_T's thoughts, and Metlas. Unfortunately those who don't care, don't care, and should be shot in one foot with a nailgun so they have to walk around in circles ... Seriously now though, I know people who've had their license taken from them for drink-driving, and as far as they're concerned it just means next time they're caught they're done for driving without a license also :(	Chilling_Silence (9)
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