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Thread ID: 103511	2009-09-26 06:46:00	Just in case anyone was wondering...	johcar (6283)	PC World Chat

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814169	2010-02-20 04:49:00	It just might be a bit difficult to converse if brain damaged as a result of the collision I would have thought.	Sweep (90)
814170	2010-02-20 04:59:00	Thank you Sweep. Twelvevolts, before you go running off at the mouth, taking the side of the accused (come to think, that's not unusual for you), best get all the facts. Greg was discharged from full-time rehabiliative care just before Christmas. He is in no fit state to face Speakman or, in my opinion, the media - which is one of the reasons that up until now, I have been fronting for him (and the other three), trying to give them all time to heal physically and emotionally. If you read the Herald article I linked to, you will see there is still a lot of anger (rightly so) both at what happened to them in September and in the courts last week. They all put in reparation claims. But the judge decided to ignore the amounts they were all out of pocket and toss them a $1000 bone. Hence my description of "pathetic" to the waiting media after the case.	johcar (6283)
814171	2010-02-20 05:24:00	Did the guy take part in the emotional harm reparation process. meet the perpetrator and see what she had to say? If he didn't have the balls to do that he should drop whinging about the process and the outcome. Victims have their chance to participate in the setting of reparation, if he declined to do so then boo hoo. Boo hoo indeed. Maybe we can blame society for Speakman's driving, right? Come on dude, seriously, how do you come up with this crap. People are brain damaged here and this outcome from the judge, it's pathetic. Lives have been ruined, and nothing happens to the idiot who didn't feel like stopping at a stop sign? This is another big joke for the NZ Justice system. But this makes me think: If we did not have ACC, our insurance companies would go after hundreds of thousands - which wouldn't help the guys back to how they were, but it would ease their suffering significantly. And not even an apology, how disgraceful.	Cato (6936)
814172	2010-02-20 05:25:00	Did the guy take part in the emotional harm reparation process. meet the perpetrator and see what she had to say? If he didn't have the balls to do that he should drop whinging about the process and the outcome. Victims have their chance to participate in the setting of reparation, if he declined to do so then boo hoo. That sucks man at least its very insensitive you need a jolly good banning for trolling.	prefect (6291)
814173	2010-02-20 06:24:00	Boo hoo indeed. Maybe we can blame society for Speakman's driving, right? Come on dude, seriously, how do you come up with this crap. People are brain damaged here and this outcome from the judge, it's pathetic. Lives have been ruined, and nothing happens to the idiot who didn't feel like stopping at a stop sign? This is another big joke for the NZ Justice system. But this makes me think: If we did not have ACC, our insurance companies would go after hundreds of thousands - which wouldn't help the guys back to how they were, but it would ease their suffering significantly. And not even an apology, how disgraceful. We're becoming a nation with chronic victimitis. However. 1. I didn't blame society for the bad driving - I blame the driver. 2. The driver should be punished, they were. 3. I feel every sympathy for the victim with regard the injuries, must be terrible. 4. There was an apology according to the posts here (let's face it you lot would never accept any apology anyway). So what do we have on the basis of what has been reported here. A young inexperienced driver does something really stupid that has serious impact. Driver offers apology and victims don't apparently want her to be slammed in jail. Judge weighs it all up and provides reparation, other channels like ACC are available to get people treatment. Where exactly is the problem?	Twelvevolts (5457)
814174	2010-02-20 06:39:00	"Did the guy take part in the emotional harm reparation process. meet the perpetrator and see what she had to say? If he didn't have the balls to do that he should drop whinging about the process and the outcome. Victims have their chance to participate in the setting of reparation, if he declined to do so then boo hoo." Some of the problem is posts such as yours quoted above. Just what makes you think that one of the victims refused to take part in this so-called reparation process. Could it be that he was not capable of doing so?	Sweep (90)
814175	2010-02-20 06:44:00	Thank you Sweep . Twelvevolts, before you go running off at the mouth, taking the side of the accused (come to think, that's not unusual for you), best get all the facts . Greg was discharged from full-time rehabilitative care just before Christmas . He is in no fit state to face Speakman or, in my opinion, the media - which is one of the reasons that up until now, I have been fronting for him (and the other three), trying to give them all time to heal physically and emotionally . If you read the Herald article I linked to, you will see there is still a lot of anger (rightly so) both at what happened to them in September and in the courts last week . They all put in reparation claims . But the judge decided to ignore the amounts they were all out of pocket and toss them a $1000 bone . Hence my description of "pathetic" to the waiting media after the case . So you are now the Judge and you just heard both sides . What are you going to do? No Judge I know ignores a reparation request, but they may well weigh up what can realistically be paid, what support is available to the victim through ACC, the degree of carelessness and no doubt a whole host of things in this case that aren't represented fairly on these posts . If it happened to me I'd be very angry, that is entirely understandable . Question is how do you move on with your life, blaming the Judge forever won't do it for you . Your friends comments to the press suggest he is at least reflecting on the best way to move on, and that it isn't linked to hammering the driver . Why don't you talk to the lawyer and actually arrange for the meeting now? Doesn't have to be part of the Court process and I can say as the victim of several burglaries where I have fronted up to the offender, it is a process that helps the victim move on (and for that matter express their anger and vent) .	Twelvevolts (5457)
814176	2010-02-20 06:45:00	We're becoming a nation with chronic victims . However . 1 . I didn't blame society for the bad driving - I blame the driver . 2 . The driver should be punished, they were . 3 . I feel every sympathy for the victim with regard the injuries, must be terrible . 4 . There was an apology according to the posts here (let's face it you lot would never accept any apology anyway) . So what do we have on the basis of what has been reported here . A young inexperienced driver does something really stupid that has serious impact . Driver offers apology and victims don't apparently want her to be slammed in jail . Judge weighs it all up and provides reparation, other channels like ACC are available to get people treatment . Where exactly is the problem? You sir are the problem,we are all rationalist here .	Cicero (40)
814177	2010-02-20 06:46:00	"Did the guy take part in the emotional harm reparation process. meet the perpetrator and see what she had to say? If he didn't have the balls to do that he should drop whinging about the process and the outcome. Victims have their chance to participate in the setting of reparation, if he declined to do so then boo hoo." Some of the problem is posts such as yours quoted above. Just what makes you think that one of the victims refused to take part in this so-called reparation process. Could it be that he was not capable of doing so? In this case that may be so - in which case the Court should have suspended the process until such time as they were. I haven't followed every detail of this case, but from what I read here they turned down the chance.	Twelvevolts (5457)
814178	2010-02-20 06:47:00	You sir are the problem,we are all rationalist here. You snipe from the sidelines and appear to have no solutions to anything.	Twelvevolts (5457)
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