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Thread ID: 103511 2009-09-26 06:46:00 Just in case anyone was wondering... johcar (6283) PC World Chat
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814149 2010-02-17 09:15:00 And besides that, it is legal to ride two abreast, so long as traffic is not being held up.

You wanna try the above. The world would be a happier place if cyclists didn't think they owned it

The same could be said for ignorant motorists - and I think I know what category you fir into.

Cyclists have a legal right to be on the road, as have pedestrians, motorcyclists, buses and trucks.

All it takes is a little give and take - share the road. It's not yours either!

And I'm not saying that all cyclists are perfect - I admit there are a lot of idiots. And the idiots who are idiots on their bikes are probably idiots behind the wheel too.

By usage, there are a lot more cars on the road than bikes - the percentage of idiots on the road is probably a constant. Therefore, by simple maths, there are more idiot motorists than there are idiot cyclists.

But the crux of this is that, driving a car, you will come off a lot better in an accident than if you were on a bike (and to the instant retort I am sure a man of your intellect will come up with to this comment, please see paragraph 2 above - bolded).
johcar (6283)
814150 2010-02-17 10:54:00 Quite hard to offer an apology if you aren't able to meet the people offended against. From my experience meeting the perpetrator would have helped the victims come to terms with what happened and I imagine discover she was remorseful. It would also allow her to see what the consequences were to them.

The offender is an inexperienced driver and her action was one I see happen every day, on this occasions the consequences were awful but you shouldn't be sentenced solely on the consequences. Clearly if someone had died, several on this site would have had her executed, and yet her error was in fact not stopping at a stop sign.

Judge did a good job on the balance.
Twelvevolts (5457)
814151 2010-02-17 18:25:00 Her "error" or crime was the carnage she caused driving into the cyclists.
No wonder you are a ex prosecutor did they fire you?
prefect (6291)
814152 2010-02-17 18:45:00 Quite hard to offer an apology if you aren't able to meet the people offended against. From my experience meeting the perpetrator would have helped the victims come to terms with what happened and I imagine discover she was remorseful. It would also allow her to see what the consequences were to them.

The offender is an inexperienced driver and her action was one I see happen every day, on this occasions the consequences were awful but you shouldn't be sentenced solely on the consequences. Clearly if someone had died, several on this site would have had her executed, and yet her error was in fact not stopping at a stop sign.

Judge did a good job on the balance.

It's not hard to apologise - doesn't have to be a face-to-face. There is an old-fashioned thing called a "written letter"....
johcar (6283)
814153 2010-02-18 07:00:00 Her "error" or crime was the carnage she caused driving into the cyclists.
No wonder you are a ex prosecutor did they fire you?

I don't think you'll find there is a law about driving into cyclists, but then you clearly don't understand the difference between a consequence and a crime.
Twelvevolts (5457)
814154 2010-02-18 07:59:00 Cyclists also have the legal right to be insane, quite a few avail themselves of that right to judge by their behaviour. R2x1 (4628)
814155 2010-02-18 08:03:00 I don't think you'll find there is a law about driving into cyclists, but then you clearly don't understand the difference between a consequence and a crime.
If there are no laws about driving into cyclists you mean I can bowl them over at will and get away scot free.
prefect (6291)
814156 2010-02-18 08:13:00 If the latest court result is anything to go by prefect, the going rate is a loss of licence for 6 months and $1000 per cyclist.

But then I'm a cynic....
johcar (6283)
814157 2010-02-18 08:23:00 Pretty sure most of the country is outraged at the sentence. prefect (6291)
814158 2010-02-18 08:32:00 If there are no laws about driving into cyclists you mean I can bowl them over at will and get away scot free .

The law is Careless Driving, or Dangerous Driving, of Careless Driving Causing Death . Certainly the consequence has some bearing but the it is the action of the Carelessness that is against the law .

A cyclist went right in front of my car the other day (think he just didn't see me), if I'd hit him I wouldn't have been charged with hitting a cyclist, because it was his at fault .

If hitting a cyclist was an offence, it wouldn't matter if the cyclist was at fault .

In this case although he forced me to take evasive action, I didn't bother to ring the Cops because I'm sure the lesson of near death will make the cyclist look a bit more carefully next time .
Twelvevolts (5457)
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