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Thread ID: 103454	2009-09-24 00:13:00	Community detention for mother guilty of manslaughter	george12 (7)	PC World Chat

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813276	2009-09-27 09:16:00	Would you agree it is at least a little more serious than parking for 5 minutes after the meter expired?	R2x1 (4628)
813277	2009-09-27 10:01:00	Would you agree it is at least a little more serious than parking for 5 minutes after the meter expired? Causing a death is always serious, not a matter to be taken lightly and that's why we have Judges to weigh what should happen. We're really lucky in this country to have good Judges, of course you're never going to agree with every Judge on every occasion, but to suggest the are incompetent as people regularly do here is ridiculous.	Twelvevolts (5457)
813278	2009-09-27 18:34:00	Judges in New Zealand are without exception (except Mick Brown years ago) incompetent when it comes to sentencing they might be fine in other areas.	prefect (6291)
813279	2009-09-27 20:53:00	Judges in New Zealand are without exception (except Mick Brown years ago) incompetent when it comes to sentencing they might be fine in other areas. I doubt you understand the context in which they make their decisions, remembering of course that they don't make the law, the politicians do that. Just because you don't agree with the laws of the country, doesn't make the Judges incompetent, in fact it says more about you than them.	Twelvevolts (5457)
813280	2009-09-28 00:23:00	Whats stopping the judges from using the maximum for the sentence instead of the minimum? Thats why The Sensible Sentencing Trust has been set up. They are doing a sterling job and the justice minister is doing her part. I am quite happy with the way the National Government and Act are putting more crooks in jail. Other than life for life which will come in if the next government wants to win the election everything is tickity boo in the justice system. The exception is incompetent judges and the SST have them covered.	prefect (6291)
813281	2009-09-28 09:55:00	Whats stopping the judges from using the maximum for the sentence instead of the minimum? Thats why The Sensible Sentencing Trust has been set up. They are doing a sterling job and the justice minister is doing her part. I am quite happy with the way the National Government and Act are putting more crooks in jail. Other than life for life which will come in if the next government wants to win the election everything is tickity boo in the justice system. The exception is incompetent judges and the SST have them covered. I remember last time National got tough on crime, they increased the sentences to make people think they were getting tough on crime, they then reduced to the parole term to make sure they emptied out the prisons. That trick might not work now, but you're naive if you think it is the Judges who set the agenda for sentencing. You best look at how the Courts work in western countries, and then buy a ticket to Iran so you can live in a country where they have Courts that hold your values.	Twelvevolts (5457)
813282	2009-09-28 10:58:00	There was nothing accidental about her putting her family at risk, It was a deliberate act to drive at that speed, and the resulting crash (I wont call it an accident) and the death of the child was a direct result of her deliberate act. A reasonable person of average intelligence wouldn't struggle with the concept. I may add that a reasonable person probably should not put on a helmet camera and get on a vehicle and drive through sand dunes either for that matter. But no worries it would only be an accident would it not? The mere fact that I may have been in the same area at the same time for a walk would not matter. You have gone on record as doing just that have you not? Was that not a deliberate act and one would hope you were not affected by mind altering substances. Circumstances alter cases in my view. One could ask as to why this person chose to drive in the first place and I for one don't know. She may have had some compelling reason in her befuddled state of mind due to the previous intake of illegal drugs. A memory I have is when a mate who lived near me cut himself when a knife slipped and I saw lots of blood. He called for help and I used a towel to tie the wound tight, loaded him into my V8 Holden and took him to the nearest hospital. I more than probably would have been over the limit when I drove him there and I was not caught. Yes I also exceeded the speed limit at the same time. The other option I would have had at that time is to walk some 100 yards and use a telephone to call for help. Another option was to just let him bleed anyway and then I may have been at a coroner's inquest and have to give evidence as to why I didn't help possibly. But then I chose to do what I did anyway on that day and at that time. The outcome was successful but it may not have been. I could have lost control of the car and crashed it or wiped out other people who were on the same road at the same time through no fault of their own. It didn't happen but it could have. No use pleading in court later that I made a mistake due to the alcohol in my system. Please note that this is not a personal attack on you but more on saying that we can all make mistakes. I have made my share of mistakes in the past but hindsight is a great thing is it not?	Sweep (90)
813283	2009-09-28 20:07:00	I may add that a reasonable person probably should not put on a helmet camera and get on a vehicle and drive through sand dunes either for that matter. But no worries it would only be an accident would it not? The mere fact that I may have been in the same area at the same time for a walk would not matter. You have gone on record as doing just that have you not? Was that not a deliberate act and one would hope you were not affected by mind altering substances. Circumstances alter cases in my view. One could ask as to why this person chose to drive in the first place and I for one don't know. She may have had some compelling reason in her befuddled state of mind due to the previous intake of illegal drugs. A memory I have is when a mate who lived near me cut himself when a knife slipped and I saw lots of blood. He called for help and I used a towel to tie the wound tight, loaded him into my V8 Holden and took him to the nearest hospital. I more than probably would have been over the limit when I drove him there and I was not caught. Yes I also exceeded the speed limit at the same time. The other option I would have had at that time is to walk some 100 yards and use a telephone to call for help. Another option was to just let him bleed anyway and then I may have been at a coroner's inquest and have to give evidence as to why I didn't help possibly. But then I chose to do what I did anyway on that day and at that time. The outcome was successful but it may not have been. I could have lost control of the car and crashed it or wiped out other people who were on the same road at the same time through no fault of their own. It didn't happen but it could have. No use pleading in court later that I made a mistake due to the alcohol in my system. Please note that this is not a personal attack on you but more on saying that we can all make mistakes. I have made my share of mistakes in the past but hindsight is a great thing is it not? The Sensible Sentencing types never make mistakes, they only see other people making them.	Twelvevolts (5457)
813284	2009-09-28 20:19:00	I may add that a reasonable person probably should not put on a helmet camera and get on a vehicle and drive through sand dunes either for that matter. But no worries it would only be an accident would it not? Ok, Enlighten me as to what's not reasonable about recreational ATV riding? What accident are you referring to?, please don't tell me its an imaginary one. In the event I had a child on board they would have been in full safety gear and the bike would have been ridden at a suitable pace over suitable terrain.No hindsight required. If I had a child on board,with no safety gear and I was riding at an obscene speed and I killed that child.....I'd expect the full weight of the law to crush me. But I'd probably not be capable of living with the shame anyway.	Metla (12)
813285	2009-09-28 20:59:00	Ok, Enlighten me as to what's not reasonable about recreational ATV riding? What accident are you referring to?, please don't tell me its an imaginary one. In the event I had a child on board they would have been in full safety gear and the bike would have been ridden at a suitable pace over suitable terrain.No hindsight required. If I had a child on board,with no safety gear and I was riding at an obscene speed and I killed that child.....I'd expect the full weight of the law to crush me. But I'd probably not be capable of living with the shame anyway. It's no good mate,these people will never get it.	Cicero (40)
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