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Thread ID: 103573	2009-09-28 11:44:00	Alternator question	prefect (6291)	PC World Chat

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814818	2009-10-01 22:51:00	Amazing what some clever buggers out in their sheds and garages dream up. I had a Z9 to change cam chain run out of adjustment on tensioner and rattly as a ford tragic (transit) engine, book said to split the crankcase remove crank feed on chain assemble moteur. Like take yonks man. My mate comes around with a chain link pin pressing out tool ties new chain onto old one set dohc valve timing peened over pin and Bobs your Uncle easy peezy. Only reason a pommy engine stopped leaking oil was when there was no oil left in tank or sump to leak out dare may I say lol. That RR compound you talk about was the **** it was called hylomar but dont need it on jappers.	prefect (6291)
814819	2009-10-01 23:09:00	An example of No.8 mentality. I used to co-own a specialist car repair business in Napier in the early 70's. My business partner was an engineer with a love of Jaguar cars. He was frustrated by the fact that Jaguar manuals used to start like this... "To replace Top Timing Chain... First, remove engine." So, we experimented on a customers 3.8 MKII Jaguar where we cut some 5/16" nuts in half and used them as locknuts to extract the camcover/cylinder head studs, then removed the front sump bolts and eased some others. This enabled us to draw the camcover forward, remove the camchain while feeding the new one tied on to the old one with thin wire. Check No.1 was at TDC and bolt her back up again with lashings of Rolls Royce compound as gasket goo. Did 3 or 4 of these jobs and cut the recommended time by more than half. Never had an oil leak from where we worked and had lots of satisfied customers. "No.8 is great" Ken Clever ingenuity like that wasn't really what I had in mind. Often those sort of things and clever devices to help out in a job went back to the parent company who marvelled they hadn't thought of it themselves :clap Some examples of No8 that come to mind, and naming names, William Cable, wanting to diversify into making cast iron surface plates, but not invest in the heat treatment necessary. The standards call up 7 days of controlled heat treatment They would then have claimed import restrictions on surface plates, theirs would have been warped all over the place. They had the hard word put on them. NZIG making gas cylinder threaded fittings, when asked what gauging they used, to ensure conformity to standards, they produced home made turned brass thread gauges. (Understand thread gauges are made from gauge steel, hardened, stabilised, thread ground to around 10 times or more the accuracy requirement of the product) The chap that made these had done his best, but his bosses weren't prepared to buy certified gauges from someone like Horstmans, or Coventry Tool and Gauge	Terry Porritt (14)
814820	2009-10-01 23:59:00	In the DSIR days, I would have visited hundreds of firms, large and small, assisting with and teaching QA concepts, and sorting out production problems . It must have been a bit of a headache getting any credibility among QC people with "Ex-Lucas" emblazoned on your forehead . ;) Lucas were known world-wide for not just controlling quality, but eliminating it . To be honest, some vehicles slipped past the sub-standards inspectors and leaked into a sceptical world . Ford's notch-back Anglia, and more so the van version, were good value and reasonably reliable . (Exceptionally reliable by British standards . ) The speedometers were excellent, but warranted Smiths-free . Prefect has peered at many of them, the same basic instrument internals mounted other-end-up was used for the tachometer in virtually all USA light single-engine aircraft .	R2x1 (4628)
814821	2009-10-02 00:58:00	Clever ingenuity like that wasn't really what I had in mind. Often those sort of things and clever devices to help out in a job went back to the parent company who marvelled they hadn't thought of it themselves :clap Some examples of No8 that come to mind, and naming names, William Cable, wanting to diversify into making cast iron surface plates, but not invest in the heat treatment necessary. The standards call up 7 days of controlled heat treatment They would then have claimed import restrictions on surface plates, theirs would have been warped all over the place. They had the hard word put on them. NZIG making gas cylinder threaded fittings, when asked what gauging they used, to ensure conformity to standards, they produced home made turned brass thread gauges. (Understand thread gauges are made from gauge steel, hardened, stabilised, thread ground to around 10 times or more the accuracy requirement of the product) The chap that made these had done his best, but his bosses weren't prepared to buy certified gauges from someone like Horstmans, or Coventry Tool and Gauge "No.8 wire" does not mean doing a rough job - here in NZ anyway. Parts have been pretty hard to get in the past and "No.8 wire solution" has always been the ability to make do, or modify an existing part to fix the problem. Don't know where you got the idea that it mean't stupidity. Ken :confused:	kenj (9738)
814822	2009-10-02 01:00:00	It must have been a bit of a headache getting any credibility among QC people with "Ex-Lucas" emblazoned on your forehead. ;) Lucas were known world-wide for not just controlling quality, but eliminating it. To be honest, some vehicles slipped past the sub-standards inspectors and leaked into a sceptical world. Ford's notch-back Anglia, and more so the van version, were good value and reasonably reliable. (Exceptionally reliable by British standards.) The speedometers were excellent, but warranted Smiths-free. Prefect has peered at many of them, the same basic instrument internals mounted other-end-up was used for the tachometer in virtually all USA light single-engine aircraft. A good try, but illogical.:punk Why should Lucas electrics now become 'reasonably reliable' just because they were fitted to an Anglia? I could understand that logic if you were talking about RR, because Lucas had a RR department.	Terry Porritt (14)
814823	2009-10-02 01:34:00	"No.8 wire" does not mean doing a rough job - here in NZ anyway. Parts have been pretty hard to get in the past and "No.8 wire solution" has always been the ability to make do, or modify an existing part to fix the problem. Don't know where you got the idea that it mean't stupidity. Ken :confused: Ok, I take your point and the meaning. Maybe I misused the term, I was using it in the sense of a rough job, but not implying or meaning stupidity, a rough job in relation to precision engineering.	Terry Porritt (14)
814824	2009-10-02 02:25:00	Ok, I take your point and the meaning. Maybe I misused the term, I was using it in the sense of a rough job, but not implying or meaning stupidity, a rough job in relation to precision engineering. Of course No.8 denotes precision engineering there Terry. Measurements for No.8 work can be things like..."Smidgen" "Gnats tit" "4/5 of 5/8ths" etc.. These measurements, unfortunately were from pre-metric days and have generally slipped into disuse. Ken :banana:banana	kenj (9738)
814825	2009-10-02 02:46:00	Sorry Terry, but the Anglia I am referring to had no Lucas electric(?) bits, save an Australian ignition coil that carried a badge from the evil empire. That may have been due to some previous Samaritan having an exorcism performed, but it did have Lucas tail lights of an ingenious plastic that could fade in moonlight. (I suppose that fitted in with the expectation of never being exposed to light, but they forgot about external light. Understandable enough, given the original climate.) Lucas must have been established quite some time ago, their period of greatest influence being 476 AD to around 1000 AD. Things have not been too bright for them since then.	R2x1 (4628)
814826	2009-10-02 03:15:00	Of course No.8 denotes precision engineering there Terry. Measurements for No.8 work can be things like..."Smidgen" "Gnats tit" "4/5 of 5/8ths" etc.. These measurements, unfortunately were from pre-metric days and have generally slipped into disuse. Ken :banana:banana Don't forget 'thous' and I'm more familiar with 'gnat's whiskers' and 'puffteenths of stuff all' R2x1: what a strange Anglia, obviously cobbled together from bits left over from the bottom of the CKD box, and from where ever else they could be found. Not even any 7" Lucas headlights, famed for projecting intense beams of dark ?? I had a lime green Anglia Estate second hand for a few years in the 60s and that was all Lucas. It ran ok and was reliable, quite a peppy engine, but the rust was bad. Using tins of Araldite from the photo stress analysis section I reinforced the front end with layers of newspaper, surfaced with Holts body filler, and Brushing Belco paint. It was stronger than the surrounding metal.	Terry Porritt (14)
814827	2009-10-02 03:24:00	Ah the composite Anglia :D I could not afford a lime green one and had to make do with a pale green one. No rust whatsoever (bought it from a car painter), barely a Lucasite to be seen. Since it was for SWMBO it had to be a bit reliable so I wasn't required to go out casting beams at it whenever it failed to mote. I used to wonder why Australians called their dessicated sandpit the Lucky Country. Probably because they got the convicts and we got the Lucas.	R2x1 (4628)
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