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Thread ID: 110243	2010-06-09 05:17:00	Which graphics card?	VendettaSteel (15813)	Press F1

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1108337	2010-06-11 00:34:00	i thought pctek was a Mr. i also thought metla was a mrs Best ever post from you!...LMAO	SolMiester (139)
1108338	2010-06-11 00:43:00	Yah, should've known from those beautiful eyes. I'm not so sure if the 'nVidia will be ahead in six months' argument holds true though, the Fermi cards haven't produced the goods yet especially in the mid range cards. P.S. The biggest snapper I've seen was caught on a thirty dollar reel. _____________ I'm trying to think but nothin' happens...Jerome 'Curly' Howard Not sure how old you are, but history shows nV as the better manufacturer of GPU's...period. However new design (Fermi) on 40 nm tech cost them dearly this time round with heat issues and fab production. nV has yet to release it mid range Fermi, (460\465) which I believe is 1st Jun, we should see them here soon. The 480 with latest drivers has increased its performance gain over 5870 and the release of the dual GPU Fermi will bring the top card back to nV. Actually, Fermin is a great design as overclocking bring linear scaling, which you cant say for ATi cards. SLI also has linear scaling. So while watercooling would be preferable for clocking 480's, the revised GPU should be something very special. ATi will release Southern Islands?, sometime late this year, however it will have to be a new architecture rather than just a revamp of the 4xxx series to get the crown back!	SolMiester (139)
1108339	2010-06-11 01:01:00	Lets make it simple then. Buy the most expensive card there is at that time.	pctek (84)
1108340	2010-06-11 02:25:00	Not sure how old you are, but history shows nV as the better manufacturer of GPU's...period. Really!, Well i must be older than you because I clearly remember the Nvidia 2003 FX series as being utter junk, with poor performing floating point shaders and far to much power and heat, "widely described as vacuum cleaners". ATI utterly kicked there ass with the 9800 series in every way and for a few good years. The lead has switched back and forth many times. As for Fermi, I cant share your enthusiasm, I think ATI have a more sensible elegant product with the 5000 series.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1108341	2010-06-11 03:47:00	Really!, Well i must be older than you because I clearly remember the Nvidia 2003 FX series as being utter junk, with poor performing floating point shaders and far to much power and heat, "widely described as vacuum cleaners". ATI utterly kicked there ass with the 9800 series in every way and for a few good years. The lead has switched back and forth many times. As for Fermi, I cant share your enthusiasm, I think ATI have a more sensible elegant product with the 5000 series. Yep, the FX series was pretty mediocre. But we must be using different definitions of years and ass-kicking ;) As I recall it was only a few months before nVidia countered the R9800 with the FX5900 which, while it didn't exactly beat the ATI card, it at least held its own - they were level pegging performance wise in most games at the time. So really, there were only a few months, not years, where ATI "kicked their ass" and pretty much since then, at the very top end it has been a pretty fluid time, but I think thats more to do with their product launches being out of sync - ATI launch a new product, take the crown, and shortly thereafter nVidia launch their response and take the lollipop back. I suspect you'll find nVidia have had the lead more often than not - the 6800, 7900, 8800 and 9800 cards have all held the speed crown, and they've also held the mid-range flag for most of the time as well with the 6600GT redefining the price/performance ratio for mid-range gamers, and it was followed up pretty well by the 7600, and then, well, the 512MB edition of the 8800GT did exactly what the 6600GT had done back in it's day - taken peoples conception of the performance you can expect from a mid-range priced card and smashed it to pieces. Yes, recently ATi have launched some very impressive cards, but prior to the launch of the R700 chipset in mid-late 2008, it really was all traffic going nVidias way - aside from the FX blip. Personally I think it's a really good battle atm between ATI's 5000-series and nVidia's fermi architecture. I hope it is indicating that we'll continue to see stiff competition between the two not only for the fastest card out, but in the mid-range as well.	inphinity (7274)
1108342	2010-06-11 04:46:00	As I recall it was only a few months before nVidia countered the R9800 with the FX5900 which, while it didn't exactly beat the ATI card, it at least held its own - they were level pegging performance wise in most games at the time. Sorry but it was around two years ATI was ahead. I think you have your Nvidia Rose color glasses on. You can let ATI have there place in history, it will be ok, just take big breaths and breath sloooowly! Oh god your going to make me google aren't you. itshootout.com www.neoseeker.com History lesson over, your all learned up :) ATI are ahead with power/heat/noise/price atm Nvidia do technically have the fastest single GPU card on the market but they sure do sacrifice a crap load for it. I rate ATI ahead atm as speed wise they "Hold there own" to use your term. I would encourage you to not favor either Nvidia or ATI, just buy the best product at the time you wish to upgrade.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1108343	2010-06-11 05:25:00	ATI beats NVIDIA ass	goodiesguy (15316)
1108344	2010-06-11 06:16:00	Really!, Well i must be older than you because I clearly remember the Nvidia 2003 FX series as being utter junk, with poor performing floating point shaders and far to much power and heat, "widely described as vacuum cleaners". ATI utterly kicked there ass with the 9800 series in every way and for a few good years. The lead has switched back and forth many times. As for Fermi, I cant share your enthusiasm, I think ATI have a more sensible elegant product with the 5000 series. Well yes, maybe I should have said, almost always, however aside from the noise, after driver refreshes, the FX made a lot of ground.... ATi have trailed in just about every generation since with a couple of seasons where they delayed releases and the crossover could be argued... The ATi was a rehash of the 4 series, so it performed as it was supposed to.....yes it is quieter, uses less power, but that doesnt make the best GPU...I have never heard of a better GPU classed as more....elegant!...LOL. As stated, 40nm fab process caught nV out, however the re-spin should sort that out. You want to compare junk, how about the 18xx or the 29xx or the 38xx series.... The GTX4xx series is to date the only GPU with linear scaling in both GPU clock and multi-GPU...ATi doesnt even come close.	SolMiester (139)
1108345	2010-06-11 06:28:00	Sorry but it was around two years ATI was ahead . I think you have your Nvidia Rose color glasses on . You can let ATI have there place in history, it will be ok, just take big breaths and breath sloooowly! Oh god your going to make me google aren't you . . com/r-193/ati-radeon-9800-xt-review/p/4/" target="_blank">itshootout . com . neoseeker . com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/9800xt/9 . html" target="_blank">www . neoseeker . com History lesson over, your all learned up :) ATI are ahead with power/heat/noise/price atm Nvidia do technically have the fastest single GPU card on the market but they sure do sacrifice a crap load for it . I rate ATI ahead atm as speed wise they "Hold there own" to use your term . I would encourage you to not favor either Nvidia or ATI, just buy the best product at the time you wish to upgrade . LOL, yes, 9800XT was great . . . . . that was 7 years ago! . . . . Do I have to goggle the period since for YOU? . . . ATi have always been playing catch up, shader model 3, multi-gpu, driver updates and stability . . . . I have no problem favouring nV over ATi . . . .	SolMiester (139)
1108346	2010-06-11 06:29:00	ATI beats NVIDIA ass Says the guy with an 8 yr old GPU...LOL...sorry, it doesnt!	SolMiester (139)
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