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Thread ID: 103838	2009-10-08 01:25:00	Defacto Relationships	convair (13650)	PC World Chat

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817972	2009-10-09 22:37:00	Misquoted. # "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned," William Congreve.;) In this thread's context, once the lawyers have been engaged pretty much anything involving hell, fury, fiscal divestment or rage is appropriate. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME !	R2x1 (4628)
817973	2009-10-10 04:24:00	i wonder y we even need a law like this. if 2 unmarried people choose to live together and be in a relationship and then you break up after 4 years, legally you shouldn't own anything that doesn't belong to you. Why? Because you actually save money by living together because you can share the costs of water bills/power bills, etc. And if a person is unhappy then they can move out because no-one is forcing the person to stay. If a women has a child and she chooses to stay home instead of working that is her choice so the man shouldn't have to pay his partner for lost income because no-one forced the woman to stay home and not work when she had her child.	lance4k (4644)
817974	2009-10-10 04:31:00	But a child is going to be much happier if mum or dad is there to pick them up after school rather than being handed around to friends/relatives so mum can work	hueybot3000 (3646)
817975	2009-10-10 04:43:00	Dead right huey.	prefect (6291)
817976	2009-10-10 06:15:00	If a women has a child and she chooses to stay home instead of working that is her choice so the man shouldn't have to pay his partner for lost income because no-one forced the woman to stay home and not work when she had her child. It takes two to make a child (a man and a woman, in case you weren't aware of that) so if a man does not want to take equal responsibility for the care and upbringing of any child he fathers then he should make very sure that he does not get any women pregnant. End of story.	FoxyMX (5)
817977	2009-10-10 06:40:00	If you dont have children it may be a case of half and half, but often it isnt . I cant say i have heard of any nice amicable break ups . . . . . . . . . something always gets blown out of proportion or nastyness sneaks in . or anger, stuborness etc . Kids and custody clouds some issues, and then the primary carecaregiver is sometimes awarded more if it all goes badly and ends up in court . Often the court with dictate and look at whats best for the kids, and make a ruling from their . often Court doesnt think about whats fair or who should get what, it just looks at the kids / family and rules from their . Life is never simple or easy, if you can acheive a settlement without lawyers intervention great, but if you cant, expect it to take a long time and a lot of money . its never easy or nice, and you have emotional scars for life, and how it effects adults is way different to how it effects kids . And if you have no intention of caring for the kids you made together, then as Foxy says dont make any . :( beetle	beetle (243)
817978	2009-10-10 06:59:00	If i was to split with my partner while the children are dependants. i would leave with just my personal belongings.	plod (107)
817979	2009-10-10 07:16:00	It takes two to make a child (a man and a woman, in case you weren't aware of that) so if a man does not want to take equal responsibility for the care and upbringing of any child he fathers then he should make very sure that he does not get any women pregnant. End of story. Unfair! That's discrimination.	R2x1 (4628)
817980	2009-10-11 03:11:00	and legally a man has to pay child support if he chooses to not have anything to do with his partner and the child . we're talking about a man having to give up half of his possessions just because his partner lives with him for more than 4 years when the women partner can just move out and/or get a job whenever she wants . the man aint forcing the women to be there . it should work like this: 1)man asks women to move in 2)women asks man to sign legal document saying after 4 years of living together,women is eligible to have half of man's possessions 3)man signs document If the man doesn't sign the document and the women still chooses to live with the man then the women gets nothing if relationship ends after 4 years . i don't agree with this automatic un-consensual agreements without both parties agreeing . it's a bit like if you walk into a grocery store and your not allowed out of it without buying something, even if you don't want to buy something . if there was a consent form at the door that the customer signs then that'll be fine . It takes two to make a child (a man and a woman, in case you weren't aware of that) so if a man does not want to take equal responsibility for the care and upbringing of any child he fathers then he should make very sure that he does not get any women pregnant . End of story .	lance4k (4644)
817981	2009-10-11 03:40:00	and legally a man has to pay child support if he chooses to not have anything to do with his partner and the child . we're talking about a man having to give up half of his possessions just because his partner lives with him for more than 4 years when the women partner can just move out and/or get a job whenever she wants . the man aint forcing the women to be there . Do you live in cloud cuckoo land or something? it should work like this: 1)man asks women to move in 2)women asks man to sign legal document saying after 4 years of living together,women is eligible to have half of man's possessions 3)man signs document If the man doesn't sign the document and the women still chooses to live with the man then the women gets nothing if relationship ends after 4 years . i don't agree with this automatic un-consensual agreements without both parties agreeing . it's a bit like if you walk into a grocery store and your not allowed out of it without buying something, even if you don't want to buy something . if there was a consent form at the door that the customer signs then that'll be fine . Moving in with someone is consensual and yes legally the man should pay maintenance however have you tried getting money from a Dad who has moved to Australia? I guess not . My wife had that problem her first husband walked out when boy was one and moved to Australia paid no maintenance until the boy was 9 . You need to get your head out of the clouds and live in the real world . Life ain't fair get over it, here I'll build you a bridge if you want	gary67 (56)
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