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Thread ID: 146566	2018-09-10 21:04:00	Car Key Issue - opinions wanted	piroska (17583)	PC World Chat

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1453494	2018-09-11 07:36:00	No wonder these nasty little people lost the war.	prefect (6291)
1453495	2018-09-11 07:38:00	Sounds like Toyota wants to replace the ECU and give you the master key that's assigned to it. I am not sure if you are allowing the dealer to rectify the issue, this will sting you in your dispute. So maybe find out what the dealer plans on doing or what options he has. It may not be dodgy. If his means is reasonable then you should take him up on it, if the outcome of the job is unacceptable then you should find out your options rather than directly go with Toyota, you basically need to prove you took reasonable steps and in the end settled on Toyota because of trust with them knowing their own cars, which is sometimes better than taking the risk of alternative option. One alternative way, which the dealer may know of, requires a locksmith who can flash an ECU to accept a new master key. These locksmiths should be known from a car auction place as I can see them dealing a lot with missing master keys. They probably value themselves highly too so maybe try to track your own down first and if no luck, see if a car auction place could recommend or tell you who they use. You should know the risk with flashing, which might be why Toyota avoids it, cause it could just result in needing a new ECU in the end or Toyota may have made it impossible to flash them, would not put that pass them. So do weigh your options, be able to prove you took reasonable steps and gave the dealer a chance because I can see you getting stung.	Kame (312)
1453496	2018-09-11 07:41:00	I know. I did have 2 businesses myself. And he tried to sell me a mechanical warranty and I said at the time, I'm happy with the CGA. He said do you know what it says, and I said as above, my businesses ...yes, fit for purpose. The ad is still there: qualitycars.co.nz B.M: Small print? No small print, he gave me the Window sheet, an invoice and the blurb about your rights when buying off a dealer. And beware what? Did I know there would be or was an issue with the key? No...not till I went to get a spare. Beware car dealers? Yes, I know you trust none of them, on the other hand could have happened buying privately too. That's worse really.	piroska (17583)
1453497	2018-09-11 07:47:00	Sounds like Toyota wants to replace the ECU and give you the master key that's assigned to it. I am not sure if you are allowing the dealer to rectify the issue. So maybe find out what the dealer plans on doing or what options he has. . They are not replacing the ECU. They very carefully insisted on going over exactly what they would do. Yes I did talk to Mr Dealer. He did tell me his plan. I rejected his dodgy plan, I said I wanted it done legitimately and correctly. He said your choice, and he is not doing anything else. I also asked MTA about the situation too and they advised me to do what I am doing . I will go to Disputes. If I do lose, well ****, cost me another $1918 for the car, bugger. If I win, good.	piroska (17583)
1453498	2018-09-11 08:02:00	Or the airplane thread, BM. Whenu, is that the one where it took zonks for the conveyor belt to break? :D I seem to remember one on an epileptic washing machine too. :confused:	B.M. (505)
1453499	2018-09-11 21:41:00	So been reading the hack sites. They all say get your master......ah yes, the thing I don't have. So then this: www.instructables.com Er...no thanks. Either the car dealer doesn't realise, or he wants to do some hack job like this. Either way, I trust Toyota more than him to do it.	piroska (17583)
1453500	2018-09-12 10:59:00	Dealers must: comply with the Consumer Guarantees Act (CGA), which gives you guarantees for new and used vehicles I guess piroska assumed they were buying a car and the dealer is convinced he was selling a partial kitset . . . . .	R2x1 (4628)
1453501	2018-09-12 22:18:00	I guess piroska assumed they were buying a car and the dealer is convinced he was selling a partial kitset . . . . . Yeah ever notice how some of the dealers are all nice, your best buddy when you are buying a vehicle, but boy, turn into an unmentionable when things go sour .	wainuitech (129)
1453502	2018-09-12 23:09:00	Yeah ever notice how some of the dealers are all nice, your best buddy when you are buying a vehicle, but boy, turn into an unmentionable when things go sour. Tried insurance? Politicians? Real Estate? Religion? ;) "Oh no, That lifetime guarantee is an assurance that if our Whizzmatic Dooflickey fails in any way whatsoever, its life is now over." "We Guarantee that when you die you'll go straight to heaven, Our church has never had a complaint of failure." (Car dealers seriously envy this 'posthumous only' complaint clause.)	R2x1 (4628)
1453503	2018-09-13 07:36:00	I still can't justify the cost,it still sounds like replacing the ECU. I've been programming EEPROMs for years, you have flashed them inside your computer (BIOS) but to call it hacking because they remove the assigned master key is nothing more than blanking out what the ECU is expecting so it can accept a new key. If Toyota ain't replacing it then they are going to do exactly this too. If they however can recreate the exact transponder, then this whole security is flawed and anyone will be able to do this. Anyways, is the dealer suppose to supply a master key? I don't think so, it's hard to say. When the dealer bought the car, they too only got that key. Whether it was a repo, auction, import, that's all he got. It works on the car, it just isn't the master that can add more keys. The key you had, must have operated the car, so it was a working key. This is why your purchase agreement should include a spare key so it will not be your problem. However, it is now your problem. The dealer maybe safe. Whether its ignorance, or you don't trust the dealer, still ain't looking good because you were asking for a spare key after the agreement and he does not need to provide this, he just tried to help you but this is still outside your agreement. This is now nothing to do with your purchase agreement or is there a clause for it? Not sure about MTA's views, if they were lawyers, sure, but they are no greater than certified WOF inspectors with etiquette values who say they assure people with vigorous tests. You can seek them for mediation but can you see where the car is faulty. What you want is someone to pay for letting you down even though it's still on you to get an independent vehicle inspector. So what I am seeing is you don't want to face the harsh truth and still think people owe you.	Kame (312)
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