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Thread ID: 104582	2009-11-01 21:19:00	Cell phone vs Smoking	bk T (215)	PC World Chat

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826248	2009-11-01 23:46:00	You only need a lawyer if you are charged. Says who? If the cops are talking to ya, Your best bet is to make contact with a lawyer as soon as possible.	Metla (12)
826249	2009-11-01 23:56:00	We already had a law which covered anything that was not specifically covered in laws. It was (and still is) termed driving without due care and attention which could include a multitude of perceived sins. Then an enforcement officer could issue an infringement notice and if you defend the said matter the prosecution has to prove it. When I last looked the sale of tobacco products is legal as of this morning as I bought a pack without any questions being asked. May I ask who are you to tell me and others how to conduct their life? I don't recall mentioning anything about how you can conduct your life, so you are misreading something. You can do what you want to yourself. Even if cigs were made illegal, people would still be able to source them. Making them illegal would at least clear the government from any moral liability of allowing a product that causes 50% of consumers disease and death, to be sold. However what I do object to, is my tax payer money going to treat smoking related diseases. Health insurers charge smokers a lot more of insurance, so they already treat smokers differently from the rest of the population. The NZ government do need to do something about the potential huge costs in the future, to treat those smokers, because as the revenue from people buying smokes declines, the tax payer will have to cover the shortfall.	robbyp (2751)
826250	2009-11-01 23:57:00	Says who? If the cops are talking to ya, Your best bet is to make contact with a lawyer as soon as possible. Yes, and recent law changes, means that in some circumstances, the right to remain silent, has been removed.	robbyp (2751)
826251	2009-11-02 00:33:00	I don't recall mentioning anything about how you can conduct your life, so you are misreading something. You can do what you want to yourself. Even if cigs were made illegal, people would still be able to source them. Making them illegal would at least clear the government from any moral liability of allowing a product that causes 50% of consumers disease and death, to be sold. However what I do object to, is my tax payer money going to treat smoking related diseases. Health insurers charge smokers a lot more of insurance, so they already treat smokers differently from the rest of the population. The NZ government do need to do something about the potential huge costs in the future, to treat those smokers, because as the revenue from people buying smokes declines, the tax payer will have to cover the shortfall. I use cigarettes while driving and you say I should not which means to me that you are infringing on my rights to do something that, for now, is in fact legal. Your point as to smokers with insurance is valid but then insurance also treats drivers under the age of 25 years in a different manner to those somewhat older. The more I smoke the more tax I pay or had you not noticed that? The more alcoholic drinks I buy the more tax I pay. The more petrol I buy the more tax I pay and etc. The Government gets about $900 million in tax from smokers last time I looked but is this directly paid to cover the actual costs? Your stats seem to be derived from the latest TV ad I see and probably belong in the same bin as global warming and the flat earth society which still exists.	Sweep (90)
826252	2009-11-02 00:38:00	Yes, and recent law changes, means that in some circumstances, the right to remain silent, has been removed. Sigh. The right to remain silent has not yet been removed at this time. Tell me where it has been removed.	Sweep (90)
826253	2009-11-02 01:12:00	You can never lose the right to remain silent even if you are being tortured all that is required is that your lips dont move. Its mega stink when rellies wont tell the police about who and how little rangi got beaten up. Pity the old style policing has gone when they would rough people up who wouldn't co operate. I have heard a story where a policeman dressed in a wetsuit beat up suspect with a frozen flounder. As if the anyone would believe the crook when he says his fess up was under duress.	prefect (6291)
826254	2009-11-02 01:31:00	Forgetting something are we? When was the act of "driving" ever viewed as a "right" and not a licensed privilege? One is licensed by the authorities to use the roads and highways in vehicles that are inspected, licensed, insured, registered and driven in lines, lanes, parked in spaces and all this is a privilege, not a right . If theses same authorities tell you that it is illegal to text or use a cellphone, then it's the rules by which you must comply . Your only actual "right" here is to not drive at all and therefor avoid all the litigation, responsibility and permissions granted by that same licensing authority . Suck it up and just obey the laws - everyone will be safer and better drivers by not being distracted by peripheral electronics and devices . /soapbox	SurferJoe46 (51)
826255	2009-11-02 01:39:00	There was a case where a newly-wed couple were having oral sex and they ran off the road and both died. Justice prevailed there. Getting back to this one, so who was driving?? :rolleyes:	Gobe1 (6290)
826256	2009-11-02 02:21:00	Coincidentally, I got this in my Inbox this morning.... Embarrassing: Zach Schultz of Denver, Colo., became the most recent victim of wind, costing him his car. While driving down Colorado Boulevard in July, he tossed a lit cigarette out the window, but it landed in the back seat and set the car on fire, and he was not able to save it. [KMGH-TV (Denver), 7-16-09] I assume that what he was not able to save was his car, rather than the cigarette... :D	johcar (6283)
826257	2009-11-02 02:26:00	Coincidentally, I got this in my Inbox this morning.... I assume that what he was not able to save was his car, rather than the cigarette... :D The point being?	Sweep (90)
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