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Thread ID: 104716	2009-11-06 02:29:00	Shootings At Fort Hood - Texas, US - Muslim Shooter Is Responsible	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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827609	2009-11-06 18:52:00	News: There are REPORTED that forty-three bullets had hit victims . Some of the victims MAY have been shot by "friendly fire" from the law enforcement personnel trying to take him down . He is reported to have climbed onto a table and shouted: "Allah Akbar!"("God Is Good"!) and started shooting . One soldier - hit by a bullet - accidentally moved and three more shots were pumped into him . The civilian female cop who is credited with finally wounding the alleged shooter, is also wounded - once in both legs and once in a hand and is doing well in the hospital and her wounds are not viewed as life threatening . The shooter - on the other hand appears to be paralyzed and will not make a full nor speedy recovery . The local Muslim communities are "micturating" all over themselves trying to spin this as a case of PTSD - or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder - which is being ballyhooed as a lie since he had not yet been in harm's way in his military service so far . The two handguns that the shooter used should not have been able to hold that much ammunition and it is also reported that he never inserted new clips to reload .	SurferJoe46 (51)
827610	2009-11-06 19:02:00	The Muslim communities here in SoCal are feigning outrage and disillusionment over the stereotyping of a Muslim as a killer - even though that exactly what he was . So they should . When other people (which happens often) in America go bonkers and start shooting people do they report them as a "Christian" killer or "Atheist" killer or whatever?	pctek (84)
827611	2009-11-06 19:09:00	So they should. When other people (which happens often) in America go bonkers and start shooting people do they report them as a "Christian" killer or "Atheist" killer or whatever? You must remember, Muslims are fighting a jihadic war, a war for religion and what not. If it was a crazed communist doing this, they would call him a commie. This is a war of ideology more than anything else.	Cato (6936)
827612	2009-11-06 19:20:00	There are REPORTED that forty-three bullets had hit victims . One soldier - hit by a bullet - accidentally moved and three more shots were pumped into him . The two handguns that the shooter used should not have been able to hold that much ammunition and it is also reported that he never inserted new clips to reload . The CZ-75 SP01 comes with an 19 round mag, plus one in the chamber, (20 round total) I am not aware of any other pistol with a higher capacity with factory magazine . Now another thing, 43 rounds fired by him hit people? That already does not make sense . He had wounded a total of 43 people, including 4 shots to one person and also 3 shots at the female cop . There is no way the guy could shoot so many people by himself with just hand guns . Remember a 9mm will not be effectively accurate at over 25 meters . Much less if he is holding it one handed .	Cato (6936)
827613	2009-11-06 21:37:00	I think it's more disturbing that he is a shrink. Not at all - I've known a few psych nurses and others involved in that 'industry' over the years, and it seems to me that people who are attracted to that line of work tend to be a bit "close to the edge" anyway...	johcar (6283)
827614	2009-11-06 22:13:00	Not at all - I've known a few psych nurses and others involved in that 'industry' over the years, and it seems to me that people who are attracted to that line of work tend to be a bit "close to the edge" anyway... Yeah, that what I meant. They are more disturbed than the people they "claim" "help". I have never seen shrinks help anyone other than prescribing meds that fundamentally alter the person anyway. They also tend to be manipulators of the highest degree. Bunch of good for nothing nutters.	Cato (6936)
827615	2009-11-06 22:49:00	Going nuts with a gun is an american tradition. Its so common its getting ho hum boring to me. The only to reduce it is to amend the constitution to state any citizen can bear arms if he has been checked out like Nouvelle Zealande. Why does it have to state the shooters religion it means other people in the religion get a hard time.	prefect (6291)
827616	2009-11-06 22:57:00	Going nuts with a gun is an american tradition . Its so common its getting ho hum boring to me . The only to reduce it is to amend the constitution to state any citizen can bear arms if he has been checked out like Nouvelle Zealande . Why does it have to state the shooters religion it means other people in the religion get a hard time . From a quick scan of the postings above, this logic would mean than this particular nutter would most likely have been authorised to carry . And although there may have been others around him at the time he started shooting who were also allowed to carry weapons, this may/would have reduced the area to the same state it ended up: a bloodbath . Because, despite what you see in the movies, Americans are no more accurate with a gun than you or me . Especially in as stressful a situation as this would have been (trained or untrained for it) . EDIT: Actually, I don't believe Kiwis with a gun licence are allowed to 'carry' (in the American sense) - a NZ gun licence just gives you permission to use a gun - there are still restrictions .	johcar (6283)
827617	2009-11-06 23:05:00	Too true but anyway of stopping nutter being able to carry a gun must help. In NZ they pull it if you have mental health probs and this dude did he was under review. He was either a good shot or lucky to get so many kills with hand gun. They are hardly accurate to hit fleeing people sometimes best way is to just throw the pistol at the person.	prefect (6291)
827618	2009-11-06 23:19:00	Going nuts with a gun is an american tradition. Its so common its getting ho hum boring to me. The only to reduce it is to amend the constitution to state any citizen can bear arms if he has been checked out like Nouvelle Zealande. You forgot the police shooting? That guy was unlicensed. It doesn't stop a guy from getting weapons. And you see, he was in the army, he could have found a way to get weapons from the armory if he wanted. Why does it have to state the shooters religion it means other people in the religion get a hard time. Because it was motivated by religion? If you are fighting a war against commies, and you see a guy with in a commie bandana do a shoot 'em up, will you leave out the fact he was a commie? Come on. Too true but anyway of stopping nutter being able to carry a gun must help. In NZ they pull it if you have mental health probs and this dude did he was under review. He was a mental health expert... How do you prove someone has a mental issue or not? Unless the person do something, you can't know. EDIT: Actually, I don't believe Kiwis with a gun licence are allowed to 'carry' (in the American sense) - a NZ gun licence just gives you permission to use a gun - there are still restrictions. At an approved firing range only, you can't fire a pistol anywhere else.	Cato (6936)
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