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| Thread ID: 104930 | 2009-11-13 02:16:00 | The stupidity that is the NZ give way rule, as seen from the eyes of an Aussie | wratterus (105) | PC World Chat |
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| 829727 | 2010-03-03 03:45:00 | In NZ it's what you grow up with, so it's what you're used to. We are the only country in the world that uses this give way rule, even Oz changed back when the trams were removed. IMO it doesn't work properly, that's the problem. The first post in this thread explains perfectly why it doesn't work in a real life situation. |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 829728 | 2010-03-03 03:55:00 | I'm glad it's gone, it's stupid, especially the T junction one where you have to stop and let them out first before you can continue. The Automobile Association(AA) supports a change to the rule. There was evidence that the give way rules are a factor in the 2560 intersection crashes, and one or two deaths, each year. tvnz.co.nz |
SKT174 (1319) | ||
| 829729 | 2010-03-03 04:50:00 | Hasn't gone yet! Have to wait for the day it changes. In the meantime, be careful out there in case others think it has changed already! LL |
lakewoodlady (103) | ||
| 829730 | 2010-03-03 06:18:00 | In NZ it's what you grow up with, so it's what you're used to. We are the only country in the world that uses this give way rule, even Oz changed back when the trams were removed. They were?? When did that happen?? They were still there last October.. |
paulw (1826) | ||
| 829731 | 2010-03-03 06:32:00 | Suggested reading would be Right of reply on right of way (sittingduck.co.nz) and a related podcasts Driving social flip-flops (podcast.sittingduck.co.nz) followed by Driving me crazy (podcast.sittingduck.co.nz). This blogger and podcast (attempts to) debunk all the AA's arguments. " The proposed changes would reverse the give way rule, allowing left turning traffic right of way. At T-intersections, where two cars are turning right, the car turning off the main road would have right of way - reversing the status quo. " Indeed two rules are being changed, not one. "New Zealand is the only country in the world with this priority rule. The Automobile Association says the rules are a factor in 2560 intersection crashes, and one or two deaths, each year. Some 17 percent of crashes are at intersections. " Note this is a factor, no mention is made as to whether this is a significant factor, let along the biggest factor. Isn't one or two deaths half a percent of the road toll? |
Myrtone (15420) | ||
| 829732 | 2010-03-03 08:58:00 | This is a simple matter that New Zealand is the only one marching in step, or perhaps it just might be that New Zealand is the only one out of step. | KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 829733 | 2010-03-03 09:31:00 | Suggested . . . Isn't one or two deaths half a percent of the road toll? It's a bit more than that for a couple of families . Regardless, when they change the rules again, it will be a fairly lengthy period of the "give way to everything within 360 degrees of you" and possibly a bit of a bonanza for the panel beating fraternity . Why didn't they wait until all the old people had passed on before they changed everything? :banana :banana :lol: :banana :banana |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 829734 | 2010-03-03 10:28:00 | I'll quote the blog entry According to the AA "But the car turning right may have to first give way to oncoming traffic following behind the turning vehicle. The driver of the car turning left has to guess – will the car turning right across the traffic wait for another car coming up behind to pass through the intersection? If so, there is time to slip around the corner. Or, will the driver turning right risk crossing in front of the car approaching from behind the one signalling left? In that case, the left-turning driver must wait." The blogger replies "When you are driving should you rely on guesswork? No! Perhaps the driver turning left can analyse the situation and determine what is possible and allow for that. This supposed need for ‘guessing’ the intentions of other drivers is a core skill. Many drivers do not use their indicators correctly at many intersections. And even if every human in the area is behaving impeccably, other factors may suddenly come into play and you need to be able to react quickly. You must be able to analyse the situation. I think you’ll find the experts call this defensive driving." "The alternatives are both simpler and safer. With a left-turn priority, when two cars reach the T-intersection together, the car turning left only has to check for hazards on the left, and turn. The right-turning car must give way to everyone, so the risk of making a mistake is minimal. But drivers are stupid and will take liberties as stated above. Left turning drivers will pay less attention to their surroundings. The right turning driver will get impatient, having to now wait for everyone, and will take risks." So how about that, the stupidity of New Zealand's government's desicion on what rules to change as seen from the eyes of a Wellington blogger and podcaster? He gives another example of concentrating on speed cameras when the satistics are there to prove they detect illegal and not innapropriate speed. |
Myrtone (15420) | ||
| 829735 | 2010-03-03 10:49:00 | What a bunch of twats. This is going to cause nothing but problems. We have been living with whatever we have had for god knows how long, and we are fine. This will only cause chaos and confusion. Twats. Why would a law change cause chaos and confusion? I had to adapt when the law here changed to follow the effort put up in Victoria, Australia and I note that Victoria changed their rules back to what they were. The main thing is that the laws should be clear, unambigous and enforced. There also should be clear consequences for flouting the law. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 829736 | 2010-03-03 11:17:00 | So when did Victoria first introduce the rule, I know that New Zealand first introduced it in 1977 and got it from us. Acorrding the a Syndey Morning Herald article Road rules for travellers (news.google.com), dating from 1976, the rule also existed in Tasmania. This old article also gives an example of a truely bad (if you think the current left turn give way rule is bad, this is worse) give way rule that existed in Queensland at the time, apparantly at a stop sign controlled intersection, you still had to give way to someone on your right facing a stop sign. So there you have it, both drivers need to check for vehicles approaching from the right but one of then is doing so from a stationary position. | Myrtone (15420) | ||
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